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Wolf sighting on Santiam pass in Oregon
Keenan:
Cawkazn,
I watched the links that you posted and can understand that there are certainly a "few" cases where a dog or especially "several" could defend livestock from wolves. However just as your video link shows there is almost always loss of livestock. At best I think it's a grander romantic thought of the great guard dog defending his master and herd. But in reality I would have to say that facts are that it's dog against dog and in the case of the wolves, they are forced to live out survival everyday. Anytime the odds are stacked with numbers the wolves will win.
Even if you are able to guard the livestock, the elk and deer herds are still being decimated when the wolves aren't kept in check. Yes they have the right to exist just as humans do but as with all things balance and management is wise. Unfortunately that is not what happens most of the time.
It's one thing to have a theory of how it could work. However I put more credit and validity on what people like Hawkbow and others say that I know deal with "real life" scenarios. As others have stated, Yellowstone is a great example of what will happen if they are left unmanaged.
DanaM:
Appears that the wolf is once again going to be delisted in many states. If this is accurate.
http://www.wisconsinagconnection.com/story-state.php?Id=293&yr=2009
http://phoenix.fanster.com/2009/03/09/us-sportsmen%E2%80%99s-alliance-foundation-right-call-on-wolf-delisting/
El Destructo:
Told Ya back a Page or two.....Help was on the Way.........and it now is being Publicly Stated.......... :D
hawkbow:
delisted everywhere but here :'(..
El Destructo:
--- Quote from: hawkbow on March 11, 2009, 03:53:08 pm ---delisted everywhere but here :'(..
--- End quote ---
Here is what they have to say about Wyoming
Service decided to delist the wolf in Idaho and Montana because they have approved state wolf management plans in place that will ensure the conservation of the species in the future.
At the same time, the Service determined wolves in Wyoming would still be listed under the Act because Wyoming’s current state law and wolf management plan are not sufficient to conserve its portion of northern Rocky Mountain wolf population.
The northern Rocky Mountain Distinct Population Segment includes all of Montana, Idaho and Wyoming, the eastern one-third of Washington and Oregon, and a small part of north-central Utah. The minimum recovery goal for wolves in the northern Rocky Mountains is at least 30 breeding pairs and at least 300 wolves for at least three consecutive years, a goal that was attained in 2002 and has been exceeded every year since. There are currently about 95 breeding pairs and 1,600 wolves in Montana, Idaho, and Wyoming.
The Service believes that with approved state management plans in place in Montana and Idaho, all threats to the wolf population will be sufficiently reduced or eliminated in those states. Montana and Idaho will always manage for more than 15 breeding pairs and 150 wolves per state and their target population level is about 400 wolves in Montana and 500 in Idaho.
As a result of a Montana United States District Court decision on July 18, 2008, the Service reexamined Wyoming law, its management plans and implementing regulations. While the Service has approved wolf management plans in Montana and Idaho, it has determined that Wyoming’s state law and wolf management plan are not sufficient to conserve Wyoming’s portion of a recovered northern Rocky Mountain wolf population. Therefore, even though Wyoming is included in the northern Rocky Mountain District Population Segment, the subpopulation of gray wolves in Wyoming is not being removed from protection of the Endangered Species Act.
Continued management under the Endangered Species Act by the Service will ensure that wolves in Wyoming will be conserved. Acting U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service Director Rowan Gould said the Service will continue to work with the State of Wyoming in developing its state regulatory framework so that the state can continue to maintain its share of a recovered northern Rocky Mountain population. Once adequate state regulatory mechanisms are in place, the Service could propose removing the Act’s protections for wolves in Wyoming. National parks and the Wind River Reservation in Wyoming already have adequate regulatory mechanisms in place to conserve wolves. However, at this time, wolves will remain protected as a nonessential, experimental population under the ESA throughout the state, including within the boundaries of the Wind River Reservation and national park and refuge units.
So it is still possible that in the Near Future even Wyoming will be Delisted....lets Hope that they come up with a Package that will satisfy the Feds....and delist them....
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