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Wolf sighting on Santiam pass in Oregon
Traxx:
And there lies the problem.Yer gonna hafta have a pack of those dogs to keep the wolves at bay.The wolves in this country,are running in large packs.Thats what happens when they are turned loose,with no predators and laws to keep management from happening.Im not gonna type out a bio of myself or my qualifications,but will say,that my experience with wolves,is enough to know without a doubt,that they are infact,the most efficient killing machines out there.Take away a management plan,of checks and balances,and things will become one sided.Without permitted management and hunting,to balance their numbers,they will become an increaseing problem,just like the Black bears in Ca and Nj and the mountain lion in Ca.Soon,they loose respect of humans and become severely dangerous.This is a new day and time.Rampant wolf populations,and Modern Man,CANNOT co exist ,Period!!Anybody who thinks differently,is liveing in Disneyworld,and needs a serious reality check.Incidently,there have been severall,who were formerly,against wolf delisting,that have seen the evidence,and have changed their minds.Even tourist,in Yellowstone are seeing the difference,and in some cases,have seen firsthand,that Natures Reality,is not what they thought it was.Unfortuneately,by the time,the court cases and red tape are passed,it may be too late.the damage may be done,to the point of not being able to rectify it for some time,or in some cases,ever.For some involved,thats exactly as they have it planned.They will Sacrifice,herd numbers and health,of some species,to cater to their political agendas,all the while,claiming the interest of wildlife,as their concern.
Marc St Louis:
The thing with Wolves is that unlike Dogs they have no interest in fighting. For them it's all about survival and you don't survive very well when you are severely injured. Put those Dogs out to fend for themselves and the tables would turn pretty fast. Also some of those Dogs were protected with collars, not fair
hawkbow:
Around here the wolves have become so territorial, they are killing stock dogs.. going out of their way to kill them if the dog is in their hunting territory...even mountain lion hunters are refusing to run cats because the wolves are hearing the braying of the dogs and killing them before the houndsmen can get to their dogs..a friend of mine on the wood river had his horse killed in the corral fifty yards from the house.. the wolves chewed the hind end out of the live animal and left it to die.. looked like a massacre inside the corral. the poor horse bled out in the night.. these predators are not acting like wild wolves.. they are acting like dogs gone wild... no real family structure like most wild wolves.... the last pack that was killed here for slaying four cattle in one day, was all males weighing near two hundred pounds each... I will say I love the idea of wolves and am a firm believer in the spiritual aspects of native lore concerning their position in this great circle of life.. but these wolves are nothing more than government sponsored terrorists.. who left unchecked will decimate our elk herds.. Hawk a/ho
cawkazn:
--- Quote from: Marc St Louis on March 10, 2009, 08:30:56 am ---The thing with Wolves is that unlike Dogs they have no interest in fighting. For them it's all about survival and you don't survive very well when you are severely injured. Put those Dogs out to fend for themselves and the tables would turn pretty fast. Also some of those Dogs were protected with collars, not fair
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yeah thats precisely my point, the wolves have no interest in fighting, and if you had a small pack of those dogs, the wolves would probably just look elsewhere for food rather than go through all the trouble and risk of getting injured unless they had a very large pack. And it doesnt have to be fair, you can have large spiked protected collars on your dogs, they also make a sort of body armour for them as well, usually used on hog dogs. a pack on 1 dog is not fair.
i think one of these guys could do it, presa canario, males are around 150 lbs.
http://www.sanderskennels.com/02-19-05%20060%20presa%20canario.jpg
hawkbow:
Sounds to me like you are certain of the fact that a dog could get the job done .. so I guess you could bring a few of those KILLERS over here to northwest Wyoming and fix our wolf problem for us... ;D I am not a gambling man by any means, but would lay my money down on a wolf everytime.. I have seen the aftermath of dozens of wolf kills.. Even grizzlies will think twise before tangling with them.. unless they are real hungry ;) If you would like some real info concerning the problem out here... pm me and I will gladly enlighten you to the REAL story of what is going on. Hawk a/ho
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