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adb:
It's rather disappointing that we all can't share or experiences & accomplishments in a polite and nonjudgemental fashion, mods included. It seems to be very macho thing for some of you heavy archers. There is more than one way, and maybe we could all share and learn something new. Just a thought.

african man:
Alanesq - Who ever he is he needs a damn good shave .... ;)

Yeomanbowman:

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BTW - Who is that handsome chap stood behind Simon there ;-)


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Not sure Alan,
I think you are in the way  ;D

Dane:
You know, Rod is right – it does look a bit like a little hopping dance when you loose a war bow.

This stuff is supposed to be fun, guys, and it always seems to become a personality cult and a mean competition between very talented and knowledgeable people tearing each other to shreds over trivial things like a stupid TV show. I hope this section remains alive and healthy.

Rod:

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Kick a man  when he's Down eh? Certainly not the actions of a moderator?

I did not see Steve "leaping about" as you put it, what I did see was Steve doing a rolling loose which does give the archer extra distance, you will find that Mr Stanley also uses this technique when shooting for distance as do the current standard arrow record holder Joe Gibbs and Mark Stretton, so entertaining it may be but effective, certainly, misguided I think not, also if you look at the Ewbs website and the competition results it shows that Steve has won the last 4 competitions, so accurate, he is.

In the absence of a common system of scoring what does this actually tell us except that he led the field that day?

So where you get your ideas from Rod, I do not know?

From some few years of shooting in the longbow in more than one style at a competitive level and before that from bowhunting small game when I was younger and it was legal here...
And you?

You obviously haven't watched the top distance archers shoot otherwise you would know what a rolling loose is.

I have seen many folks shoot in different weights, styles and disciplines over the years and have a pretty good eye for understanding what I see.

I would suggest that the prime factors in obtaing good distance are a suitable dry fire weight, a well balanced shaft of the right spine and weight plus a clean fluid loose that does not disrupt the arrow's clean departure.
The biggest reducers of distance are letting down or collapsing into the loose and doing anything that might cause a less than clean departure.

In this context, throwing the body forward has relatively little effect that is good and a great deal of potential for introducing errors when shooting at a mark.

What you call a "rolling loose" I would probably in flight or clout shooting terms call a "slashing loose" and in the past I have shot a weak bow with its arrows borrowed from a friend who could not make the distance at clout and recorded a medal score by the use of a "slashing loose and punching the bow into the loose".

If I had thrown out of line during this process I would not have obtained the score, which is the reasoning behind my comment, which acknowledged that it was a distance technique, not one best suited for shooting at a mark where any departure from the aimed line of force during the loose has inevitable consequences in a looser grouping.

Some degree of reaction is likely shooting high draw-weights, but where this reaction or movement comes after the arrow's departure, or is in line, little harm is done.
When it involves letting off, collapsing, throwing up or down or out of line during the shot the arrow will tell the tale.

What you can get away with shooting for distance may well prove grossly inefficient shooting at a mark.

As to why good distances are achieved, observation of the loose and the arrows departure will tell far more than observation of the archers physical reaction to loosing the draw weight.

Leaping forward adds little to the arrows velocity; good rhythm and tempo, and  a fluid loose make a big difference in the same way that a poor rhythm and tempo, a dead or static and less than slick loose all have a large affect on detracting from the cast.

And Ascham writes a good deal of sense even though it is fashionable in some quarters to decry his writing.
But I respect an archer who writes good sense and is modest about his own ability, as is the case with Ascham.

I do however agree with the bits about the filming.

Anyone who has worked with the media without editorial control will tell you the same....

Yewboy

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