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nick1346:
Hi Rod,
I think it only fair to point out that the rolling loose is only used when shooting at extreme distance. To confuse this with the techniques used when shooting at the marks is a mistake and does not allow you to see the full picture of how these gentlemen shoot. When at the marks, the archer looses in a more conventional manner allowing him to be far more accurate than with a rolling loose.
What i will say about the effectiveness of shooting in this manner for distance is that the archers in question attain a greater on average distance than not using it and they are all very experienced archers, so the proof is as we say in the pudding.
To see the difference's in techniques for distance and flight watch this video, the first shot of Mark shows him shooting at a mark and the last image of the archers on the ridge has Mark in the centre shooting for extreme distance. The two are different.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_rPxV5Jivg
Nick
Kviljo:
I'm not totally convinced just yet about the effectivity of the rolling loose. If you se the picture of Stanley, the arrow has left the bow in the second picture, and he haven't moved the bow forward too much from picture 1 to picture 2. The speed you would add to the arrow will be the same as the accelleration you put into the bow during the period you release the arrow and it leaves the string. It's less than half a second, and you won't be able to move it forward that much within half a second. At most a foot, and if my thinking is right, it should be 2 fps extra speed for the arrow. That's not much :)
Still, if you can do a perfect loose with the correct angle, while rolling forward, the rolling should add a few yards. 5 perhaps?
nick1346:
--- Quote from: kviljo on April 25, 2009, 07:12:47 pm ---I'm not totally convinced just yet about the effectivity of the rolling loose. If you se the picture of Stanley, the arrow has left the bow in the second picture, and he haven't moved the bow forward too much from picture 1 to picture 2. The speed you would add to the arrow will be the same as the accelleration you put into the bow during the period you release the arrow and it leaves the string. It's less than half a second, and you won't be able to move it forward that much within half a second. At most a foot, and if my thinking is right, it should be 2 fps extra speed for the arrow. That's not much :)
Still, if you can do a perfect loose with the correct angle, while rolling forward, the rolling should add a few yards. 5 perhaps?
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Well we can argue things out as much as we wish but practicall experience orverides all. The pictures of Simon miss out the bits which are important so it is easy to call issue with what he is doing. Make no mistake he is an amazingly competent bowman and would not be doing what he is doing unless it actually helped. Sorry about that.
To illiustrate things watch yet another cliip ::) This is Mark Stretton, the bloke who holds the word record for the heavest longobow shot. He has held the standard arrow record and won umpteen compititions, in short he knows what works and does not. Noitce how he rolls before he looses and the way the arrow comes back that much more because of it. Also notice how his leg does not leave the floor before he has loosed but his positiion changes in a very similar manner to the pictures of Simon.
http://www.englishwarbow.com/Untitled.wmv
It works, why I do not know, personally I think it aids release rather than adding momentum but it clearly works as most of the record setters use a variance on it and that is after all the ultimate test.
Kviljo:
Of course, these guys do some really impressive shooting, and the rollong loose looks darn cool. I've tried it a little, and it takes some training to get it right, for sure.
However, practical experience should never be relied upon untill it has been tested as thoroughly as it would be in a scientific experiment. There is a lot of ways to misinterpret "everyday experiences". For example it may well be that it is easier to draw longer when doing the roll. Then it is not the roll that contributes, but the longer draw :)
It would be interesting to know if the turks did the same thing while flightshooting. I would rather rely on a couple of hundred years experience than a couple of decades. :)
Pretty cool clip there! Thank you!
adb:
I think a rolling loose is simply follow through. Like swinging a bat, or a golf club, and we all know what happens when we don't follow through with those activities.
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