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Dax:
Mullet, looks like you sway well with which way the wind blows and that's o.k.  Good to be flexible.  Good luck hunting and being a stand up guy who backs up what he says. 
Hey, Billy, that's some impressive stuff there...looks like the stone did its job on that one.  Here's a suggestion for everybody...for all of those who are having good success with stone and those who are not, would it be possible for you guys to send an example of the head you're using to each other and maybe this would help come up with a better understanding?  Maybe somebody's doing something different that makes penetration better.  Just a thought.

Ryan_Gill_HuntPrimitive:
I am really enjoying seeing everyones responses,  i do believe those that have kiled with stone, although i stand by my theory that steel is statistically better.  but for the sake of further knowledge...--

for those that have killed with stone (big game only please) can you show a picture of the stone point you used or one just like it

and the size dimensions of it.  

along with whether it was a selfbow or lam bow,

what poundage bow,  

and if you can remember, did it hit a rib

i think these are the important factors that we can control, shot placement of course is crucial, but its somthing that changes from time to time and person to person, so its not a constant.  the questions above can be a constant.   thanks guys, i hope we can find a pattern that might solve some questions.  i personally think that points under the legal size limit are what will yield the best results

(haha looks like dax had about the same idea i did while i was writing)

TRACY:
Great pics again! You don't happen to have a pic of the stone head do you? Healthy debate ;)

billy:
Here's a pic of the point I killed my deer with.  It didn't hit a rib on entry, but slipped between them.  The point is only about 1/2 to 5/8 of an inch wide at the most.  One thing I've noticed is that smaller, narrower points seem more likely to slip between the ribs when compared to a wider point.  A wider point is MUCH more likely to hit ribs unless the point is exactly parallel with the ribs at the moment of impact.  The bird point test I conducted also showed me that narrow points missed ribs with a much greater probability than I had ever thought possible.  Although the bird point test showed they were effective, I'm still not sure if a wider point would produce a better blood trail or faster death thru hemmorage.  I missed a shot at a deer this past fall with a bird point tipped arrow, so I still have yet to try them out on a live deer to determine if they are worthy of hunting with or not.  The jury is still out.... but I'll pass on my discoveries as soon as I find out their performance. 

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Timo:
This is the point from the first deer I shot with stone. Raw Texas material,side notch,1" wide. (This is IMO the best design for hunting heads).It busted a rib on entrance,and the point was just through the skin on the off side. I found the tip that was broken later while eating a piece of meat. 6 yd shot,53# selfbow.ocean spray arrow,can't remember the weight.40 yd recovery.Good blood trail.





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