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medicinewheel:
I would have a suggestion:

Dana jumped on me badly once or twice, can very well imagine it happend to others, and maybe even worse. Honestly I thought of him being an a..h... sometimes. Just the same way you think of good friends being a..h.... sometimes. Never thought of him being a bad person.
Justin I'm sure it's been handled correctly, and if the decision is he can't come back, than that's accepted no problem.
BUT...
PA is not something abstract but an on-line community of people sharing their knowledge. So, if a majority of these people agrees on having Dana restated, it should be as correct as following the hard and cold rule.
If those who had problems with Dana would speak up (maybe even anonymously to the admins via PM), I'm sure it would form a picture.

BTW. I believe that path could eventually be travelled by whoever was banned. (I'm sure it won't happen often, cause it takes cochones to do so)

PS: And yes, forgiveness is plenty healthy and works both directions!

Dane:
Relax, Justin. I had not seen the banning guidelines, or simply forgot if I had read them (2 years is a bit of time, and it has been a long time since I read any threads about rules of conduct), nor do I know what adjudication process is used for suspention and revocation of posting priveledges. I wasn't saying nor accusing that some get preferential treatment at the whim of a moderator or administrator or PA management, as you will realize if you re-read what I posted.

I'm done with this topic, and was clear about my own feelings on this matter. I do hope that there is a difference between the letter of the law and the spirit of the law, however. Do whatever you guys think is best. Happy New Year.

Dane

boo:
Posted by: Scott D  "  I don't know Dana personally, but it is obvious that this place is important to him and that he's sorry for his actions.  He seems to care about this place and people realize that.. which is why other members are voicing an opinion to see him reinstated. What's the worst thing that could happen? Maybe he'd get drunk and type some things that he shouldn't?  It's only as big of a deal as we choose to make it.  If he goes back to his old ways, he can be re suspended easy enough.  In my opinion, it's good to offer forgiveness to someone who is sincerely sorry and sincerely trying to make amends for their actions.....even if they've had multiple chances already.....if the rules won't allow for that...... then maybe the rules could be adjusted to allow for human judgment in banning.  This is just my honest opinion,  I'm not trying to ruffle anyone's feathers. "

I couldn't have said it better, matter of fact, this is what I've been wanting to say for the last two days but couldn't put it into words. The way I see it, Dana is a different person now. He has hit rock bottom and has started over. I feel like the new person should have a new chance until he proves he hasn't changed.

Pat B:
To all concerned...
  We the mods and admins(and owners) fret over having to ban anybody and only a very few have banned since PA has been on line. They were all given fair warning, a second and sometimes third chance and warned again before a banning occurs. We discuss these situations and try to come to a conclusion and remedy that is good for all involved. Most of us(admins and mods) have met Dana and most of us consider him a friend and know that he has contributed positively to PA...but rules are rules! Dana knew before he was banned that he was on thin ice and would be banned if he didn't change his actions here on PA, but opted to "try" us one more time and it bit him. I'm sorry it happened but it did!
  I sincerely hope Dana can get his life back together. If he does and can prove it to us there is a chance we will reconsider  reinstating him but for now it is what it is.
  Dana had a very close call just a few days ago and it will take him a long while to get over that and to come to terms with his deamons. There is nothing that any of us can do for Dana at this point. It is totally up to him. If and when he comes to terms with his problems and can prove to us(admins and mods) that he has indeed changed, I'm sure he will be considered for reinstatment...but until then, it is what it is!!!

osage outlaw:
Well said Pat.  It takes months or even years to prove that a real change has been made, not just a week or two.  I don't know Dana, but with this much support, he must be a good person.  Hopefully his change is permanent, and the ban isn't.  Only time will tell. 

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