Author Topic: Why I think osage is an inferior bow wood...  (Read 121164 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline toomanyknots

  • Member
  • Posts: 3,132
Re: Why I think osage is an inferior bow wood...
« Reply #315 on: November 30, 2012, 02:50:16 am »
The bow I made was slightly elliptical

Yes, after looking at your warbow, I see it is indeed slightly elliptical.

I've provided several examples and explanations for why an osage warbow wouldn't stack or have handshock but I have yet to see one from you other than the fact that it's a dense wood which actually is a great advantage for a warbow.

Ya, longer bows always shoot better the heavier they are. K then. Yes, this is my point, (that it is a dense wood which is sluggish and shocky in a warbow) which has been my point the whole time. Duh. And you have only purposed that elliptically tillering it will magically make in it an entirely different wood. K then. Cause thats the best shape for a heavy 32" draw 72" long warbow. Alrighty. I'm sure the draw would be smooth as butter. I don't care about any theoretically crap you throw at me, that couple inches makes a huge difference in a warbow, it just does, like it or not, no getting around it. An elliptical tiller is a bad choice for a warbow. For a longbow or target bow, it is a nice tiller shape to make a non-shocky bow. A warbow will need an even bend to evenly compress the wood, to reduce set. Full compass. Make a couple more warbows and come and talk to me.

if you are talking self bows than osage is not a prime warbow wood, in a laminate however, this is far from the truth.

This is been my point the entire time.

« Last Edit: November 30, 2012, 03:04:09 am by toomanyknots »
"The way of heaven is like the bending of a bow-
 the upper part is pressed down,
 the lower part is raised up,
 the part that has too much is reduced,
 the part that has too little is increased."

- Tao Te Ching, 77, A new translation by Victor H. Mair

Offline RyanY

  • Member
  • Posts: 1,997
Re: Why I think osage is an inferior bow wood...
« Reply #316 on: November 30, 2012, 02:53:59 am »
You're loosing it man!  :o  I guess the only way to show you you're wrong will be to add an awesome osage warbow to my collection.  8)

Offline toomanyknots

  • Member
  • Posts: 3,132
Re: Why I think osage is an inferior bow wood...
« Reply #317 on: November 30, 2012, 02:58:01 am »
You're loosing it man!  :o  I guess the only way to show you you're wrong will be to add an awesome osage warbow to my collection.  8)

Ya, make 20 and tell me you don't get tired of the handshock slow shooting performance. It don't make the best warbow, there are better choices for longbows in general, osage is not the best bow wood in every scenario, you are the one who has lost it if you think osage will make just as good of a warbow as yew.
"The way of heaven is like the bending of a bow-
 the upper part is pressed down,
 the lower part is raised up,
 the part that has too much is reduced,
 the part that has too little is increased."

- Tao Te Ching, 77, A new translation by Victor H. Mair

Offline RyanY

  • Member
  • Posts: 1,997
Re: Why I think osage is an inferior bow wood...
« Reply #318 on: November 30, 2012, 03:04:04 am »
Idk if anyone told you but I don't make slow shocky bows.  8)  And I'm pretty sure I haven't mentioned yew once although I think it probably could.  ;D

Offline toomanyknots

  • Member
  • Posts: 3,132
Re: Why I think osage is an inferior bow wood...
« Reply #319 on: November 30, 2012, 03:05:24 am »
Idk if anyone told you but I don't make slow shocky bows.  8)  And I'm pretty sure I haven't mentioned yew once although I think it probably could.  ;D

Than yes, you have definitely lost it.  >:D
"The way of heaven is like the bending of a bow-
 the upper part is pressed down,
 the lower part is raised up,
 the part that has too much is reduced,
 the part that has too little is increased."

- Tao Te Ching, 77, A new translation by Victor H. Mair

Offline Bryce

  • Global Moderator
  • Member
  • Posts: 3,125
  • Pacific Ghost Longbows
Re: Why I think osage is an inferior bow wood...
« Reply #320 on: November 30, 2012, 04:47:13 am »
Last time I checked this topic it was on page 12 or something. Took me awhile to catch up. Very good discussion boys. Lets all hit the sack and get back at each others throats in the morning hahaha.
I think I've heard just about everything there is to know about 'bow physics' on this topic. Very nice
Clatskanie, Oregon

Offline Pappy

  • Global Moderator
  • Member
  • Posts: 31,838
  • if you have to ask you wouldn't understand ,Tenn.
Re: Why I think osage is an inferior bow wood...
« Reply #321 on: November 30, 2012, 06:29:42 am »
Wow,Still at it.  :o I don't know how yall have time to make bows. ;) :)
   Pappy
Clarksville,Tennessee
TwinOaks Bowhunters
Life is Good

Offline Parnell

  • Member
  • Posts: 5,551
Re: Why I think osage is an inferior bow wood...
« Reply #322 on: November 30, 2012, 09:10:51 am »
I can't believe this is still rolling...
1’—>1’

Offline raghorns

  • Member
  • Posts: 186
Re: Why I think osage is an inferior bow wood...
« Reply #323 on: November 30, 2012, 10:07:28 am »
Lots of great info for sure.

In any good debate it's always important to remember that it's, "not WHO is right, but WHAT is right." That keeps it clean.

 
Live Life at Full Draw

Offline George Tsoukalas

  • Member
  • Posts: 9,425
    • Traditional and Primitive Archers
Re: Why I think osage is an inferior bow wood...
« Reply #324 on: November 30, 2012, 10:08:23 am »
This may well be a record for PA. Jawge
Set Happens!
If you ain't breakin' you ain't makin!

Offline PatM

  • Member
  • Posts: 6,737
Re: Why I think osage is an inferior bow wood...
« Reply #325 on: November 30, 2012, 10:10:26 am »
TMK, I don't see how a warbow of Osage that is 74 or even 76 rather than 72 is going to magically be less stacking or more shocky.
 A Warbow is supposed to shoot a heavy arrow which should soak up that shock nicely.
 In any event the purpose that a warbow is made for is supposed to winnow out the guys who are worried about getting sore wrists.

 

blackhawk

  • Guest
Re: Why I think osage is an inferior bow wood...
« Reply #326 on: November 30, 2012, 10:25:22 am »
And conclusion is.....You can't make a "GREAT" bow with whitewood.

Offline Parnell

  • Member
  • Posts: 5,551
Re: Why I think osage is an inferior bow wood...
« Reply #327 on: November 30, 2012, 11:11:25 am »
Ugh!  Blackhawk! Noooooooooooo! ;D ;D ;D

I can just picture you sitting at your computer with your fingertips pressed together quietly whispering "gooooood...goooood...release your anger and join me on the dark side of the force!"
1’—>1’

Offline PatM

  • Member
  • Posts: 6,737
Re: Why I think osage is an inferior bow wood...
« Reply #328 on: November 30, 2012, 11:12:50 am »
BH,  I think you meant "I can't make a great bow from whitewood." You're getting there though, and with a bit of design study and execution I think you have the potential to be one of the great whitewood bowyers. ;)
 You  Osage guys have at least motivated me to finish this bow and see what all the hoopla is about.
« Last Edit: November 30, 2012, 11:22:07 am by PatM »

blackhawk

  • Guest
Re: Why I think osage is an inferior bow wood...
« Reply #329 on: November 30, 2012, 11:27:16 am »
"I can feeeeel your hate"....."strike me down"  >:D

You'll have to show me if you already know how patm ;).....and THAT is looking like a great bow  :laugh: