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Mark Stretton 200lb Guinness World Record blog
WillS:
--- Quote from: PatM on January 08, 2015, 10:05:16 am ---Will, The point is that the bow is still held at virtual maximum extension for a long time. I wouldn't be surprised if a bow starts dropping weight with every second at an even shorter draw than we think.
If you get a bow to 31 inches and then spend an extra four seconds getting the last inch it can't be beneficial.
Looking at the pics it's hard to see definitively but it looks like full draw is reached while pointing at the ground, lost a bit on the way up and regained again.
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Can't disagree with that. It's obviously very hard to see, so hard to analyse from a computer!
I'm trying to avoid getting dragged into this, because at this stage there's nothing new being said or revealed, but I think it's worth mentioning that ( in my opinion ) we're not gonna know anything new until somebody turns up and equals or beats Joes world records using a non-rolling loose.
As it stands (and I said this recently on a different forum) it's the method used exclusively by the guys setting world records. They don't use it for any other type of shooting (as you can see in the first vid of Joe shooting half a dozen, he's not using it there) so its not used to make certain weights usable.
Currently all the records set by English warbows have been set while using the rolling loose. It seems odd to me that guys like Joe and Mark who have been shooting incredibly heavy bows since they were kids would adopt such an extreme, physical way of shooting if there was no proof it worked. They've chosen to learn it and use it for a reason. I think it's hard to ignore that.
We can sit on a forum all day and debate whether its useless or damages bows etc but these guys are out there rewriting history books while using it and until somebody proves you can beat the records NOT using it, it would be potentially daft to claim that it isn't necessary.
PatM:
Are ALL the weight classes held with it as well? I'd want to know if their ability to pull weights nobody else can is more of a factor.
Has universal acceptance of FF string material been achieved? I thought there was some sort of quibble with the American association still having to use natural material string.
Do you have the records for both sides of the pond?
HoorayHorace:
Would it not make sense to use a natural period string and not a modem day material?
I've made a few linen and sinew strings.
How log has that guy in the video been shooting bows then? I've done some research on him and can't find too much ???
How is he so strong?
WillS:
That I don't know Pat. I also think your point is very important - at the moment, there are very few who can shoot the weight Joe does, so that may be the reason he's at the top of the distance tables. My point was that all we know right now (hence why all the online debates are somewhat moot) is that he set his records while using the rolling loose. It could be a load of rubbish, but we need to have side by side comparison with static looses to know. Until then, this topic just circles over and over again. Blacksmith77k went to great lengths to help towards this last month on a different forum, but I'm not sure even the video evidence made the non-believers change their mind.
I guess the way to answer your question is to ask somebody who was at every record attempt. If they can verify that the rolling loose was used throughout the weights, that may go some way towards a better understanding.
The records for the English society is on the website, not sure about the others.
Strings - there's an important article on its way regarding strings (and something else massively overlooked but now focused on within the EWBS) and that will be out soon. It may even be on the website now, I can't remember if Chris put a link to it yet or its still being sorted. Either way, anybody who thinks the strings could only support light bows are gonna need a new topic to argue about! I know that doesn't answer your question - sorry! - but I think more people are leaning towards natural strings, and I imagine they definitely will soon.
PatM:
Nobody is suggesting the strings couldn't support the bows but it's about time that bit of authenticity was addressed.
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