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chaetaux:
how strong was bow guinnes record holder Mark Strenton?
El Destructo:
I can find no record of Stretton holding the Record....this Guy states that He holds it....
http://www.indium.com/drlasky/entry.php?id=386
Hello And Good day !
Please allow me to introduce myself , I am Den Erickson .
I am the Worlds Strongest Archer , and have been for (April 1994 ) 10 Years prior to Mark Stretton's so called "Feat" .
I have demonstrated my Ability to successfully Shoot and Hunt with these weights .
I on a weekly basis shoot 6 / 6 arrow ends at 125# , 147# ,And over 230 #
with recurves and a Longbow , Drawn to my natural Draw length of 26 1/2 " .
At the Moment Mark Stretton while a terrific and competent Archer is no where near my strength or abilities , has been challenged in this regard and refuses any sort of competition .
I do have a current claim in to Guinness whilst Mark Stretton does not .
As to Stats
I am 5'8" , and 280 lbs . 32 years of age
In coorespondance with Pip he has mentioned he does not endorse any one let alone Mark Stretton pulling such heavy weight as he feels it is historically inaccurate .
This is for informational purposes as well as serving as a challenge to Mark Stretton to Match me or beat me as The Worlds Strongest .
I may be reached at Varbogen@aol.com
or USA tel 262-705-2245 .
Sincerely ,
Den Erickson
The Worlds Strongest Archer ( U.S.)
Rod:
It only matters if it can hit....
Perhaps you might like to consider the same challenge I put to Mark and others in the heavy bow community. Though some have agreed that a benchmark in accuracy would be useful, no-one thus far has made the effort to set such a benchmark.
The proposal was to shoot 72 x consecutive arrows in sets of three or six at 100 yards at the standard 48" target face. (FITA 122cm) and to record the number of hits and the score on 5 zone scoring (Gold 9,Red 7,Blue 5,Black 3 & White 1)
The general reaction has been that target shooting is irrelevant, despite the fact that target shooting is historically an offshoot of practice for military shooting.
I don't know why there is such reluctance to set a benchmark (though I suspect it is the certain knowledge that a low score would be posted) since any criticism of the level of score is easily answered by inviting any critic to take up the heavy bow and show what he can do with the same draw weight, much as Dick Galway once responded to crticism from a target archer by inviting to demonstrate with Dick's own bow, which the man could not even draw, let alone shoot.
Unfortunately the present stage of development in the heavy bow fraternity seems at present to be focussed upon what weight can be pulled and what distance can be made with little or no regard to the level of accuracy, which is unfortunate.
Bearing in mind that the Chinese, in the Tang dynasty qualified an archer as first class by his ability to get six hits with six arrows in a man sized target at 100 paces. Less than six hits out of six won you a second class grade and no hits at all was a failing grade.
Some weak sister complained that this also was irrelevant as the Chinese were shooting composite bows, which is an absurd cop out.
All war bow cultures demanded two things of their archers, regardless of the style of bow.
One is the ability to maintain a rate of fire, the other that they should be capable of hitting a man at the closer distances and in war bow cultures, 100 paces is considered close enough to hit a man, 40 paces or less would be very close and considered a gift.
Such bows are these days most often demonstrated at very close distances, which is fair enough given the constraints of public demonstration and safe layout for spectators, but for a fighting warbow, 12 score paces used to be the legal minimum practice distance and 100 paces is getting pretty close to point on.
Perhaps you would care to set an example by establishing a benchmark at 100 yards, bearing in mind that in long-bow custom, no sighters are permitted and all arrow will count. No sights or marks on the bow limb as an aid to finding the elevation are permitted though there is nothing to prevent the use of point of aim.
There is of course also nothing to prevent you from practising, but any claim for a benchmark score should be independantly witnessed and recorded as a discrete round of consecutive arrows.
This would be a record that really means something in the traditional context of war bow shooting.
Rod.
outcaste:
What would be the target size at say 220/40 yards?
nick1346:
--- Quote from: yankeemongiat on February 11, 2008, 08:26:49 pm ---I can find no record of Stretton holding the Record....this Guy states that He holds it....
http://www.indium.com/drlasky/entry.php?id=386
Hello And Good day !
Please allow me to introduce myself , I am Den Erickson .
I am the Worlds Strongest Archer , and have been for (April 1994 ) 10 Years prior to Mark Stretton's so called "Feat" .
I have demonstrated my Ability to successfully Shoot and Hunt with these weights .
I on a weekly basis shoot 6 / 6 arrow ends at 125# , 147# ,And over 230 #
with recurves and a Longbow , Drawn to my natural Draw length of 26 1/2 " .
At the Moment Mark Stretton while a terrific and competent Archer is no where near my strength or abilities , has been challenged in this regard and refuses any sort of competition .
I do have a current claim in to Guinness whilst Mark Stretton does not .
As to Stats
I am 5'8" , and 280 lbs . 32 years of age
In coorespondance with Pip he has mentioned he does not endorse any one let alone Mark Stretton pulling such heavy weight as he feels it is historically inaccurate .
This is for informational purposes as well as serving as a challenge to Mark Stretton to Match me or beat me as The Worlds Strongest .
I may be reached at Varbogen@aol.com
or USA tel 262-705-2245 .
Sincerely ,
Den Erickson
The Worlds Strongest Archer ( U.S.)
--- End quote ---
Mark Stretton set the world record for a longbow at 200lb draw weight with Guiness world records a few years back. Den Erickson may well be able to shoot such draw weights but certainly does not hold the world record, to claim to be and to actualy be are two entirely different things.
--- Quote from: Rod on February 12, 2008, 12:37:44 pm ---It only matters if it can hit....
Perhaps you might like to consider the same challenge I put to Mark and others in the heavy bow community. Though some have agreed that a benchmark in accuracy would be useful, no-one thus far has made the effort to set such a benchmark.
The proposal was to shoot 72 x consecutive arrows in sets of three or six at 100 yards at the standard 48" target face. (FITA 122cm) and to record the number of hits and the score on 5 zone scoring (Gold 9,Red 7,Blue 5,Black 3 & White 1)
The general reaction has been that target shooting is irrelevant, despite the fact that target shooting is historically an offshoot of practice for military shooting.
I don't know why there is such reluctance to set a benchmark (though I suspect it is the certain knowledge that a low score would be posted) since any criticism of the level of score is easily answered by inviting any critic to take up the heavy bow and show what he can do with the same draw weight, much as Dick Galway once responded to crticism from a target archer by inviting to demonstrate with Dick's own bow, which the man could not even draw, let alone shoot.
Unfortunately the present stage of development in the heavy bow fraternity seems at present to be focussed upon what weight can be pulled and what distance can be made with little or no regard to the level of accuracy, which is unfortunate.
Bearing in mind that the Chinese, in the Tang dynasty qualified an archer as first class by his ability to get six hits with six arrows in a man sized target at 100 paces. Less than six hits out of six won you a second class grade and no hits at all was a failing grade.
Some weak sister complained that this also was irrelevant as the Chinese were shooting composite bows, which is an absurd cop out.
All war bow cultures demanded two things of their archers, regardless of the style of bow.
One is the ability to maintain a rate of fire, the other that they should be capable of hitting a man at the closer distances and in war bow cultures, 100 paces is considered close enough to hit a man, 40 paces or less would be very close and considered a gift.
Such bows are these days most often demonstrated at very close distances, which is fair enough given the constraints of public demonstration and safe layout for spectators, but for a fighting warbow, 12 score paces used to be the legal minimum practice distance and 100 paces is getting pretty close to point on.
Perhaps you would care to set an example by establishing a benchmark at 100 yards, bearing in mind that in long-bow custom, no sighters are permitted and all arrow will count. No sights or marks on the bow limb as an aid to finding the elevation are permitted though there is nothing to prevent the use of point of aim.
There is of course also nothing to prevent you from practising, but any claim for a benchmark score should be independantly witnessed and recorded as a discrete round of consecutive arrows.
This would be a record that really means something in the traditional context of war bow shooting.
Rod.
--- End quote ---
Thats an interesting point but it misses the point somewhat. Warbow archers, certainly those in the uk, tend to practice roving marks where accuracy is very important, however the way that accuracy is judged in roving is markedly differen't to other forms of archery. The test that you propose is one based on sport target archery, roving requires archers to group there arrows on the ground and distances out to 250yds+, without knowing the distance to those marks, to be regarded as accurate you have to be able to group two to three bow lengths from that mark. Asking a roving mark archer to prove his ability by shooting a fita round would be like asking a fita target to shoot a rove and then extrapolate his ability from to the other.
Now you are correct when say that we should practice at field and target, but the problem we face is that we are practically banned from doing so in the uk. Clubs refuse to allow warbow archers to shoot at targets and the governing body for longbows in the uk puts a limit of 70lb draw on longbows for target archery.
It may interest you to know that a shoot we shall be holding in the near future we shall be doing something like this. A flat boss 80x80cm will be put out at 20,30,40,50,60......yds as a last man standing contest. Will it be 'independantly witnessed to your satifaction? Probably not but it will be to mine and everybody else who is there and that is what matters ;) Sorry.
Oh and by the way we are perfectly aware that your not meant to use sight markings. ::)
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