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Rod:
Marc,
Q.Why do you suppose the Chinese tested individual accuracy at 100 instead of 200 plus?
A. Because they were able to differentiate between distances appropriate to barrage fire and distances at which individual accuracy could realistically be acvhieved by someone in command of their bow.
Alan,
It is not a test of penetration. It is a suitable test of the ability to maintain a rate of fire and a quantifiable degree of accuracy.
Your draw weight is not relevant other than that it should be a weight within your ability to command the bow, maintain a rate of fire and obviously, shoot with some degree of accuracy.
To be continued.
Rod.
stevesjem:
Rod,
I have been reading your posts on this thread and to be honest i find it incredible how much importance you put on your own request, why first of all would any of us who shoot these heavy draw weight bows have any interest in taking up your challenge just so you can say target archers are better than warbow archers, it's like me saying, Lets all see who would like to penetrate an armour breastplate using target size arrows and a light draw weight bow, you would not even consider it, you would say this is not what this bow and arrows is designed for etc.etc, while us that can do it would be saying we are better than you.......You see it is rediculous and rather childish and has no real bearing on what both bow types are used for.
A recreational bow that target archers shoot is designed for one thing "Recreation" where archers aspire to the Horace Ford style of accurate target shooting, that is fine if that's what rocks your boat, However shooting a heavy draw weight longbow is completely different, your aim is to shoot a very heavy arrow with as much force as you can, we tend to shoot roving marks where accuracy and distance judgement are paramount at distances up to and over 250yds, where archers can group up to 6 arrows in a close proximity to a flag placed in the ground, to be able to do this requires alot more skill than shooting huge numbers of arrows at a fixed range target, where you have the opportunity to zone in on your target by repeatedly shooting at the same distance, shooting a warbow requires complete control over the draw weight to shoot it well.
BTW there is no fire involved with shooting a longbow!
Anyway that is all i have to say on it.
Steve
deerhunter97370:
Yankee and John, This board you just posted on is ENGLISH WARBOWS this comment would make sence if the disscusion was in Shooting and Hunting board. Plus Howard Hill Shoot Hunting bow in exess of 80# for the flatter trajectery. He used a 110# bow for his African Elephant hunts. Plus the Enlglish Longbow Is why we arent posting in french right now. Joel
alanesq:
--- Quote from: yankeemongiat on February 20, 2008, 12:18:44 am ---I am not an Warbow Fan at all so I have little to say on these Bows ...besides the Fact that they are almost allways Laminated Bows...and do not constitute being called Primitive Weapons at all.....and here is what a good Friend of Mine has to say on these Behemoths...........
Ya know, I regret dropping out of the PA board cause I'd like to tell those douche bags that are into super high weight bows that they have no business on a Primitive Archery board. It goes against the spirit of primitive wud bows: Hunting is in a wooden bows soul, and primitive hunting is all about economy of materials, the artistry of creating a weapon from the Earth, and extending one's reach in an organic way. The heavy English War Bow has no soul what so ever. It is a thing, a brutish man killer made to penetrate armor. Armor isn't an organic thing. It isn't a hide with fur... It's a dead piece of steel and the tools that are designed to kill a "steel animal" are just as lifeless. The modern archer who aches to pull the heaviest weapon possible, is not a hunter. He is a performer and only interested in besting someone else's ability. This is borne from ego, not from hunger or need, which makes it very anti "primitive". My answer to anyone of this ilk that insults someone that is vested in keeping the true spirit of the bow alive is "go to hell!". John Riggs. You can quote me on that.
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How extrodinary that people can get so worked up and angry about this ? ? ?
get a grip!
alanesq:
--- Quote from: Rod on February 19, 2008, 01:39:42 pm ---Alan,
It is not a test of penetration. It is a suitable test of the ability to maintain a rate of fire and a quantifiable degree of accuracy.
Your draw weight is not relevant other than that it should be a weight within your ability to command the bow, maintain a rate of fire and obviously, shoot with some degree of accuracy.
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The problem with this would be that it would be normal target archery, so you would find the best bow/arrow/technique for accuracy, as Horrace Ford has already done
This is of no interest to warbow archers
As I say; warbows are different to other forms of archery in that we are also interested in the power of the arrow as well as accuracy
e.g. your suggested test we could just give a 50lb full compass bow to the best target archer in the world and see what score he/she gets
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