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Hand thrown spear better than the Atlatl?
JW_Halverson:
--- Quote from: John32r on December 04, 2015, 04:29:03 pm ---Onebow try reading the source in my original post. Maximum hunting range with the atlatl is 20 yards, that's for Australian aboriginals who've been using it for thousands of years. Average high school track meet sees javelins fly over 40 yards. There's a reason this "weapon" was abandoned. Case closed.
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If you are not willing to listen to others arguments and consider this a closed case, then why did you bring it up?
Onebow...that's why all those generations upon generations of people dependant on the atlatl are dead. They obviously starved to death waiting for the compound bow and carbon fiber arrows to be invented. Duh!
Josh B:
--- Quote from: John32r on December 04, 2015, 04:29:03 pm ---Onebow try reading the source in my original post. Maximum hunting range with the atlatl is 20 yards, that's for Australian aboriginals who've been using it for thousands of years. Average high school track meet sees javelins fly over 40 yards. There's a reason this "weapon" was abandoned. Case closed.
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Ooookaay.....that sort of logic sounds all too familiar. You wouldn't happen to be a teenager would you John? Josh
John32r:
--- Quote from: JW_Halverson on December 04, 2015, 04:43:23 pm ---
--- Quote from: John32r on December 04, 2015, 04:29:03 pm ---Onebow try reading the source in my original post. Maximum hunting range with the atlatl is 20 yards, that's for Australian aboriginals who've been using it for thousands of years. Average high school track meet sees javelins fly over 40 yards. There's a reason this "weapon" was abandoned. Case closed.
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If you are not willing to listen to others arguments and consider this a closed case, then why did you bring it up?
Onebow...that's why all those generations upon generations of people dependant on the atlatl are dead. They obviously starved to death waiting for the compound bow and carbon fiber arrows to be invented. Duh!
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Hand thrown or thrusted spears are at least 500,000 years old (much older if you count Chimpanzees) and lasted until the 1800s even among civilized nations.
Oldest evidence for atlatl is ~20,000 years old, enjoyed maybe 10,000 years of existence alongside the spear, and went out of style in most parts of the world by the holocene.
Dead? You betcha. It didn't work.
JW_Halverson:
--- Quote from: John32r on December 04, 2015, 04:50:57 pm ---
--- Quote from: JW_Halverson on December 04, 2015, 04:43:23 pm ---
--- Quote from: John32r on December 04, 2015, 04:29:03 pm ---Onebow try reading the source in my original post. Maximum hunting range with the atlatl is 20 yards, that's for Australian aboriginals who've been using it for thousands of years. Average high school track meet sees javelins fly over 40 yards. There's a reason this "weapon" was abandoned. Case closed.
--- End quote ---
If you are not willing to listen to others arguments and consider this a closed case, then why did you bring it up?
Onebow...that's why all those generations upon generations of people dependant on the atlatl are dead. They obviously starved to death waiting for the compound bow and carbon fiber arrows to be invented. Duh!
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Hand thrown or thrusted spears are at least 500,000 years old (much older if you count Chimpanzees) and lasted until the 1800s even among civilized nations.
Oldest evidence for atlatl is ~20,000 years old, enjoyed maybe 10,000 years of existence alongside the spear, and went out of style in most parts of the world by the holocene.
Dead? You betcha. It didn't work.
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Ten thousand years of not working?
John32r:
--- Quote from: JW_Halverson on December 04, 2015, 04:52:49 pm ---
--- Quote from: John32r on December 04, 2015, 04:50:57 pm ---
--- Quote from: JW_Halverson on December 04, 2015, 04:43:23 pm ---
--- Quote from: John32r on December 04, 2015, 04:29:03 pm ---Onebow try reading the source in my original post. Maximum hunting range with the atlatl is 20 yards, that's for Australian aboriginals who've been using it for thousands of years. Average high school track meet sees javelins fly over 40 yards. There's a reason this "weapon" was abandoned. Case closed.
--- End quote ---
If you are not willing to listen to others arguments and consider this a closed case, then why did you bring it up?
Onebow...that's why all those generations upon generations of people dependant on the atlatl are dead. They obviously starved to death waiting for the compound bow and carbon fiber arrows to be invented. Duh!
--- End quote ---
Hand thrown or thrusted spears are at least 500,000 years old (much older if you count Chimpanzees) and lasted until the 1800s even among civilized nations.
Oldest evidence for atlatl is ~20,000 years old, enjoyed maybe 10,000 years of existence alongside the spear, and went out of style in most parts of the world by the holocene.
Dead? You betcha. It didn't work.
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Ten thousand years of not working?
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Apparently so. Just how commonly used it was is not known, but the commonality of several animals that existed during it's heyday is known (wooly mammoth and rhino went extinct right around the time it did too). I further express doubt that all the materials described as atlatls or atlatl darts really were atlatls or atlatl darts. Some of them (split based antler points) are now being reinterpreted as weaving equipment.
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