Ok, got some time in on my hopeful contribution today. This is #2 of 2 Texas Persimmon staves I started a while back. #1 said adios at about mid draw on the tiller stick. It was the lesser quality of the 2, with knots growing out of knots so, we will see what happens with this one. The stuff is hard as nails and seems pretty elastic, the knots are just persnickety. It is 51.5 inches knock to knock and about 1 3/8 inch wide at the fade. Sapling with a high crown. I think I am going to do a Sioux style bow with it. Few progress pics from stave to where it is tonight. Any and all suggestions are welcome.