I have looked at them also, Don. My problem is that when i carry in a seat, my arrows in my quiver bang off the seat when the brush kicks my quiver a little sideways. I use the mini Catquiver on drizzly days hunting, and i get the same response. I was thinking of a plains quiver, but didn't know if my feathers would be matted down due to the arrows stacked on top of each other. I have been using a seat like Bow ED for ten years or so. It seems to be the only one that my arrows don't clang on as often. Just wanted to see what other people were using with a Non-bow quiver.