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scattershot:
I enjoyed the article, and found it very informative. I was surprised at the test medium, but only because we have become so " P.C." lately. Really, what better way to run the test? Well done.

jamie:
awesome job billy. ive done a lot of tests similar to yours and in my early years of hunting killed 2 deer with what could be considered bird points . before i knew there was a legal width . my only problem with using a dead animal is you miss one factor. its the twitch factor. live tissue will contract on an arrow and other muscles like the legs kicking back will change how much penetration you get. its not much and i can tell you from my experience bird points kill and will pass completely through an animal. the two deer i took i found my arrows stuck in the ground behind it. there were also impressive blood trails for such small points. if i can find all the papers i had i'll make copies for ya. i know a guy from new york who has been compiling data on the damage done by stone points for years . i'll contact him to see if he is willing to share with ya. peace

Pat B:
I' haven't yet completed the article but I have found what I have read interesting. I've been hunting with stone points for the last 3 years but haven't yew made a kill.  I'll keep trying.   
   When I lived in Coastal SC there was one spot we hunted artifacts and the only points we found at that spot were "bird" points. Below are a few pics of the ones I have in my collection. Everywhere else we hunted artifacts in Coastal SC we never found bird points but many other types...even a 10" obsidian blade.  Like in Billy's article, the penny is for size comparison.   Pat

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1/2primitive:
Billy, yours was the first article I read through, and I appreciated it. Thanks.
     Sean

Little John:
Makes you wonder? I know that here in the desert S.W. there was virtually no bow wood and maybe it was hard to get a heavy bow from willows, so if you are stuck with a light bow then shoot what will make it work. Any way it is a given that they would penetrate better if they dont explode on a rib. What we need now is a test on bison, I think the plains indians used small points also but surely you would need a much heavier bow, even tho they must have targeted the young. I guess if you were running them from horse back you would just give it another arrow if the first did not penetrate. If you timed your shot for when the animal was stretched out you would have a better chance of slipping one between the ribs. I have read that when running the buffaloe you could count it as a dead animal if blood came out the nose ( indicating a lung shot) and go after another.  Of corse they would be easier to find on the plains. Enjoyed the article.
                                                                                                                   

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