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Offline stuckinthemud

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Pine resin what to look for?
« on: March 29, 2022, 06:58:25 pm »
A quick internet search shows lots of forms of pine resin, some even mixed with bees wax.  What should I look for as an ingredient for the wax, verdigris and pine resin fletch wrap used on war bow arrows?

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Re: Pine resin what to look for?
« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2022, 10:24:06 am »
When I'm making pitch glue I look for hard, brittle pine pitch, usually found on damaged pine trees(other conifers too). If it is not hard, brittle pitch you will need to cook out the turps or it will take forever to dry. To that pitch I melt in bees wax to reduce the brittleness and finely ground charcoal to add body to the pitch glue. I don't have a specific recipe. I usually cook the pitch to melt it add a little bees wax and let it cool then check the consistency. Then I remelt it and add enough charcoal to add body to the mixture.
 Instead of bees wax you can use other plant or animal oils(fat) and instead of charcoal you can use fine saw dust or dried rabbit or deer poop which is basically the undigested roughage, just be sure it's dried out well.
 Also with the pitch I make a simple varnish by dissolving hard, brittle pitch in alcohol. I use this on sinew arrow wraps and have coated arrow shafts with it. With the hard brittle pitch you get a smooth, non-sticky coating. If the pitch is not hard and brittle it will be sticky until the turps evaporate of which takes a long time. True varnish has a small amount of oil added.
 I've never used verdigris so I can comment on that.
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Re: Pine resin what to look for?
« Reply #2 on: April 02, 2022, 02:40:00 am »
The verdigris is just an insecticide no other function.

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Re: Pine resin what to look for?
« Reply #3 on: April 02, 2022, 07:44:54 am »
I use Collophonium.

For stringwax I use 95% beeswax and 5% collophonium (+  a few drops of oliveoil)

For glueing I use 85 - 90 % Collophomium, 10 - 15 % beeswax and a few drops of oil.
You have to heat the hard piece of glue and after cooling down it is hard again.
Please don't heat with a flame, 'cause the collophonium is burning very fast...

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Re: Pine resin what to look for?
« Reply #4 on: April 02, 2022, 10:36:55 am »
I'd never heard of colophonium so I looked it up. Sounds like the hard, brittle I use but it is what's left over after the volatile oils are artificially removed. Where do you get the colophonium, Andrew?
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Re: Pine resin what to look for?
« Reply #5 on: April 03, 2022, 04:58:44 am »
I got colophonium in a store for artists' supplies - canvases, for example, are primed with it. Also musicians (string instruments) use it for the bows of their instruments.

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Re: Pine resin what to look for?
« Reply #6 on: April 11, 2022, 11:24:39 am »
never used pitch as a glue to fletch arrows.. hide glue is perfect for that. I use the pitch when hafting points or knife blades..I just made 4 huge glue sticks of pitch.. mixed in hardwood ash and beeswax...  gut

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Re: Pine resin what to look for?
« Reply #7 on: April 11, 2022, 11:25:58 am »
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Re: Pine resin what to look for?
« Reply #8 on: April 11, 2022, 11:29:28 am »
fresh pitch off one limb.. sucker was putting out like a prom date..oh well ,not worth trying to post those pics again here.. just too much BS.. smh.. give up on posting pics to this site anymore. you think they would fix it by now.. gut

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Re: Pine resin what to look for?
« Reply #9 on: April 15, 2022, 01:22:15 pm »
Glad I’m not the only one can’t post photos here anymore.  As I understand it, the wax/pitch paste covers the thread wrap that ties down the feathers, it’s not really used as a glue per se

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Re: Pine resin what to look for?
« Reply #10 on: April 21, 2022, 10:22:47 pm »
Do you need some Ponderosa pine pitch? I have been collecting it for years and have done absolutely nothing with it except to move it around and tell myself I really, really am going to do something with it.

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Re: Pine resin what to look for?
« Reply #11 on: September 23, 2025, 05:43:08 am »
You are exploring some fascinating traditional methods for making pitch glue and varnish for arrow fletching! Here’s a summary of what you should consider regarding the ingredients, especially focusing on wax, verdigris, and pine resin.

Key Ingredients for Pitch Glue and Varnish
Pine Resin: Look for hard, brittle pine pitch, typically found on damaged or wounded pine trees. This resin should be free of excess moisture (turpentine). It needs to be solid and break easily; if it’s soft or sticky, it may need to be cooked to remove turps.

Wax: Beeswax is a common choice for reducing brittleness in pitch glue. You can also consider using alternative waxes such as plant oils (like linseed oil or tung oil) or animal fats (like tallow), which can provide a different texture and consistency.

Verdigris: Verdigris is a green pigment made from copper acetate. While you haven’t used it, it can be incorporated for color and possibly some preservative qualities. However, be cautious, as it can be toxic if ingested; if you decide to use it, ensure it’s well-mixed and tested in small amounts to see how it interacts with your pitch and other materials.

Charcoal or Alternatives: Finely ground charcoal adds body to the pitch glue. You can use fine sawdust or dried animal droppings (like rabbit or deer) as a natural filler, ensuring they are completely dried.

Making the Mixture
Start by heating the hard, brittle pitch until it melts. Then, add wax (beeswax or your chosen alternative) gradually. Allow it to cool slightly, then test the consistency. Finally, remelt and mix in charcoal or your chosen filler until the desired texture is achieved.

Final Thoughts
When using the pitch varnish, ensure that the pitch is fully dissolved in alcohol for a smooth finish. Always test small batches to find the right balance of ingredients for your specific application. This traditional method not only connects you with historical practices but also allows for experimentation with natural materials. Enjoy your crafting!

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Re: Pine resin what to look for?
« Reply #12 on: September 25, 2025, 11:15:16 am »
You are exploring some fascinating traditional methods for making pitch glue and varnish for arrow fletching! Here’s a summary of what you should consider regarding the ingredients, especially focusing on wax, verdigris, and pine resin.

Key Ingredients for Pitch Glue and Varnish
Pine Resin: Look for hard, brittle pine pitch, typically found on damaged or wounded pine trees. This resin should be free of excess moisture (turpentine). It needs to be solid and break easily; if it’s soft or sticky, it may need to be cooked to remove turps.

Wax: Beeswax is a common choice for reducing brittleness in pitch glue. You can also consider using alternative waxes such as plant oils (like linseed oil or tung oil) or animal fats (like tallow), which can provide a different texture and consistency.

Verdigris: Verdigris is a green pigment made from copper acetate. While you haven’t used it, it can be incorporated for color and possibly some preservative qualities. However, be cautious, as it can be toxic if ingested; if you decide to use it, ensure it’s well-mixed and tested in small amounts to see how it interacts with your pitch and other materials.

Charcoal or Alternatives: Finely ground charcoal adds body to the pitch glue. You can use fine sawdust or dried animal droppings (like rabbit or deer) as a natural filler, ensuring they are completely dried.

Making the Mixture
Start by heating the hard, brittle pitch until it melts. Then, add wax (beeswax or your chosen alternative) gradually. Allow it to cool slightly, then test the consistency. Finally, remelt and mix in charcoal or your chosen filler until the desired texture is achieved.

Final Thoughts
When using the pitch varnish, ensure that the pitch is fully dissolved in alcohol for a smooth finish. Always test small batches to find the right balance of ingredients for your specific application. This traditional method not only connects you with historical practices but also allows for experimentation with natural materials. Enjoy your crafting!

That's a nice and concise breakdown of the process! Thanks!
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Re: Pine resin what to look for?
« Reply #13 on: September 30, 2025, 12:24:41 pm »
That is about how I do it, except mostly use softer pitch, just cook it down. I keep mixing and testing until I get it flexible as I want and dry not sticky, takes a little time to get it right but enjoy the process.
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Re: Pine resin what to look for?
« Reply #14 on: September 30, 2025, 12:44:26 pm »
I have some of JW's  Ponderosa pine pitch. It is good stuff, hard, brittle and smells good.  :OK
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