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data on the Mary Rose bows/arrows
Yeomanbowman:
I think this was the first MR replical bow below, it predates BT's bow by quite some time :). It was made by a R. Warry and purchased by the Pitt Rivers Museum in Oxford on January 28th, 1893. the first bows were raised in the 19th C.
http://webprojects.prm.ox.ac.uk/arms-and-armour/o/A-Place-in-History/1893.65.1/
stevesjem:
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--- Quote from: adb on November 27, 2008, 11:22:39 am ---Hi, Erik
I don't understand how you can say you made the first MR replica warbow, 5 years before the MR was discovered?? Certainly, you may be able to say you made a Medieval era bow, depending on what material and # the bow is. Have you been to the MR museum? As you're obviously interested, it's worth the trip! Was for me.
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Good question. The Mary rose was discovered long before it was raised and dtvers brought up two of the bows in the nineteenth century. One of these was described in the 'Badminton Library' volume on 'Archery' which includes the information that the bow is 1 1/2” by 1 1/4” at midpoint. At one foot from the tip, the girth is 3 ¼”, at two feet, a girth of 4”, and at two feet ten inches, a 4 ½”girth. includes the information that the bow is 1 1/2” by 1 1/4” at midpoint. The maximum girth of 4 1/2” is maintained for eight and three-quarter inches. I cared enough to make one up. Yes,Steve. The one in the photo is really yew. high altitude Pacific yew drawing 100# plus, arguably as good as wood from parts of Europe, even England, that were sourced when the best was no longer available.
Alastair,---- It is true that the written word is not necessarily true. The same can be said for the spoken word, the posted word, or an interpretation formed by faulty or uninformed guesswork. Did the Badminton Library have any reason to give false measurements, or medieval archers who described how they determined bow and arrow length ? We are not talking the Agincourt body count here. BTW, do you and Steve believe the battle of Agincourt really happened ? After all, it is known only from the written word..
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Thats it I've had enough of this, Bow toxo talking to you is like talking to a brick wall, You are so full of your self you refuse to see what is actually staring you in the face, have you never heard of moving forward with research. I will no longer enter into any discussions with you and will disregard your words as that of a rambler....feel free to carry on in yoir misguided little world.
BTW, yes Agincourt did happen coz we won it, it's part of our History and culture, something you will not know much about!
Steve
bow-toxo:
--- Quote from: Yeomanbowman on November 27, 2008, 06:23:32 pm ---I think this was the first MR replical bow below, it predates BT's bow by quite some time :). It was made by a R. Warry and purchased by the Pitt Rivers Museum in Oxford on January 28th, 1893. the first bows were raised in the 19th C.
http://webprojects.prm.ox.ac.uk/arms-and-armour/o/A-Place-in-History/1893.65.1/
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Thanks for the info. I stand corrected.
Erik
Hartung:
This thread is very typical to what can be seen on other threads as it comes to MR bow measurements.
Backgardenbowyer’s initial question was:
“Does anyone know where some detailed data on the Mary Rose bows and arrows is published? I'm not talking about the selective and second hand scholarship in Harvey et al but a proper analysis of the measurements and description of the finds. […] it surprises me that there isn't a data set available with all the dimensions.”
Several other member have deplored the fact that no dimensions are available.
Up to this point there are 77 (!) answers to Backgardenbowyer’s question. So far, only one (!) person (bow-toxo) gave MR bow dimensions (post#74) as asked in the initial question. And this very person is accused as being “off topic” and as being a “rambler” in his “misguided little world”.
Steve, you who “made more replicas of these bows than probably anyone” (Reply #32), why don’t you just give measurements of three of the replica bows you made. Say the dimension of one of the smaller MR bows, dimensions of one of the bigger bows and one of in between, including ring count.
Thus Backgardenbowyer’s question would be answered and the discussion be back on the right track?
stevesjem:
Hartung
I am unable to give specific dimensions of these bows as the MR are producing a paper which will give all the information necessary, so until then it would be wrong for me to give specific dimensions.
Reply 1 and reply 9 both say how things are!
Sorry
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