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Offline Limey-Josh

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Re: White Wood English Long Bow Challenge
« Reply #15 on: July 27, 2008, 02:45:38 pm »
Steve

 human nature is curiosity, i was thinking about a warbow of about 100lbs but then i couldn't use it and it would be a wall hanger or party peice to see who was the strongest. If i made a war bow it would be a heavy and probably made from a normally classified wood like yew or a lamination. Perhaps this will show that it can be done with other woods.

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Offline Badger

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Re: White Wood English Long Bow Challenge
« Reply #16 on: July 27, 2008, 02:50:22 pm »
   Not positive hhb would be considered a white wood but I think it is at least as good as yew for war bows possibly even superior. Steve
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Offline Limey-Josh

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Re: White Wood English Long Bow Challenge
« Reply #17 on: July 27, 2008, 02:53:52 pm »
I think i have some of that stuff around here, i'll check the internet!
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Offline Hickoryswitch

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Re: White Wood English Long Bow Challenge
« Reply #18 on: July 27, 2008, 04:04:54 pm »
I've been wanting to build an Elb so I'm in. Besides the 5/8's rule and no horn nocks are their any other rules?
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Re: White Wood English Long Bow Challenge
« Reply #19 on: July 27, 2008, 04:37:42 pm »
I am interested in this but will need assistance. I am SEVERELY math challenged so I will need more clarification on the 5/8 rule. Can someone help a poor idjut out?

Also to clarify, backed bows are ok? I have a good HBH blank already glued up, if it fits the rule I can finish it out.
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Offline welch2

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Re: White Wood English Long Bow Challenge
« Reply #20 on: July 27, 2008, 04:59:41 pm »
I'm not always good at math either . So I'll give it a febble attempt.

The 5/8 is just a ratio of the thickness of the bow (the 5) to the width of the bow ( the 8) . They are saying that when you put the thickness of your bow over the width of your bow , the resulting fraction has to be equal to or greater than 5/8 ,,in order be a ELB.

Is that close guys ?

Ralph
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Offline Marc St Louis

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Re: White Wood English Long Bow Challenge
« Reply #21 on: July 27, 2008, 05:50:57 pm »
That's one way of putting it Ralph.

HHB will make a true ELB in fact it will make a darn good warbow, so will Elm but the Elm has to be good and dense to make a warbow.
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Offline YewArcher

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Re: White Wood English Long Bow Challenge
« Reply #22 on: July 27, 2008, 05:51:39 pm »
I am in. I am convinced that hickory will make a nice elb style bow. I have one in the works and will add it to this discussion as I get it tillerd over the next few days.

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Offline Rich Saffold

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Re: White Wood English Long Bow Challenge
« Reply #23 on: July 27, 2008, 05:56:01 pm »
With regards to horn nocks they just shouldn't be a requirement, you can use them if you wish..Their should be a separate category for backed and laminate bows as well..Even if using whitewood laminates as they can have  a distinct advantage over  self longbows..


Skeaterbait, look at it this way, if 8/8th's is a square  inch 5/8th's is a cross section which is an inch wide, and 5/8th's of an inch thick.

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Re: White Wood English Long Bow Challenge
« Reply #24 on: July 27, 2008, 05:56:34 pm »
Quote from: Rich Saffold on July 27, 2008, 11:19:10 am
It means the limb cross section is 5/8ths as thick as it is wide.  I agree no horn nocks, but allow overlays, and modern strings.
 

Sorry I can't help it but I am also a math geek. So here is a clarification of the formula quoted above....

Say that you make a bow that is 1 inch wide. Multiply 1 x 5/8 (or .625 when expressed as a number rather than a fraction) equals .625. Okay so what that means is that a bow that is 1 inch wide must be no more than 5/8 of an inch (or .625) thick.

Some other sizes would be: 1 1/2 inches wide (1.5 x .625= .9375) equals 15/16" thick
                                                    1 1/4 inches wide (1.25 x .625= .78125) equals 25/32" thick (in between 3/4" and 13/16")

Hope that helps. Maybe a professor  at MIT could do better.
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Offline welch2

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Re: White Wood English Long Bow Challenge
« Reply #25 on: July 27, 2008, 06:34:09 pm »
Maybe someone already makes these , but a set of dividers preset to 5/8 ratio could be a useful tool to longbow guys.

like this.

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Re: White Wood English Long Bow Challenge
« Reply #26 on: July 27, 2008, 07:22:26 pm »
Quote from: orcbow on July 27, 2008, 05:56:34 pm
Sorry I can't help it but I am also a math geek. So here is a clarification of the formula quoted above....

Say that you make a bow that is 1 inch wide. Multiply 1 x 5/8 (or .625 when expressed as a number rather than a fraction) equals .625. Okay so what that means is that a bow that is 1 inch wide must be no more than 5/8 of an inch (or .625) thick.

Some other sizes would be: 1 1/2 inches wide (1.5 x .625= .9375) equals 15/16" thick
                                                    1 1/4 inches wide (1.25 x .625= .78125) equals 25/32" thick (in between 3/4" and 13/16")

Hope that helps. Maybe a professor  at MIT could do better.

Orcbow, this is perfect, I pretty much understand it from Rich's explanation but you hit the numbers on the head, almost exactly, my blank is 1 1/8" wide and 7/8" deep. Assuming my understanding is on target, that should fall right in the mix of it.
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Re: White Wood English Long Bow Challenge
« Reply #27 on: July 27, 2008, 07:46:46 pm »
  It is ok to make it thicker than 5/8 just never go below the 5/8 rule, 1 to 1 near the handle is not unusaul.
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Re: White Wood English Long Bow Challenge
« Reply #28 on: July 27, 2008, 08:47:19 pm »
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Offline Badger

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Re: White Wood English Long Bow Challenge
« Reply #29 on: July 27, 2008, 09:15:48 pm »
Grant, that bow is a beauty!!  Steve
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