Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: }|{opukc on May 04, 2013, 12:54:40 pm
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It's easy and pleasant to shoot asymmetric Hungarian style bow - 40 # @ 28 "
The angle of the limbs 165 degree
Total length of the bow 140 cm.
limbs 33x12mm
grip 25cm with fades
Siyahs - top 28cm, bottom 24cm
srting 131cm
(http://prikachi.com/images/185/6152185t.jpg)
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G.
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That is a very cool bow! This style of bow has to be one of my favorites. Great work.
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That's very nice! Any chance of an un-braced picture?
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That's very nice! Any chance of an un-braced picture?
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wow, that is one awesome bow! could you tell us what its wrapped with?
I'd love to shoot one of those someday
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Thanks :) Great bow!
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That's awesome! And great job on it that's a beautiful bow! What did you make the core from?
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could you tell us what its wrapped with?
with linen thread
this one is a whole with sinew
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That's awesome! And great job on it that's a beautiful bow! What did you make the core from?
The core is 5mm ash
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Very nice nice looking bow. :)
I have a core glued up in this style which is waiting for horn.
Did you splice the tips in? What wood are they?
Did you groove the horn/core and what method did you use?
What glue did you use as well?
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Did you splice the tips in? What wood are they?
Did you groove the horn/core and what method did you use?
What glue did you use as well?
Siyahs /tips too/ is black locust with two horn plates.
Yes, horn and wood glued with groove method - I use hide fishing glue
No V or W groove for wood. It is gluing wood for this bow.
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Very good. Markus.
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I like your style of bows, George :) This one is no exception; excellent work!
Throwback to Bulgaria as well. I miss Bulgaria...
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This is probably a dumb question but did you sinew the back, I can't tell from the pictures. Oh great work on the bow. Its on my bucket list to make....one of these day >:D I love this style
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This is probably a dumb question but did you sinew the back, I can't tell from the pictures. Oh great work on the bow. Its on my bucket list to make....one of these day >:D I love this style
Yes, have two layers sinew on the back..
Jorik, maybe this year - Maybe if Iliana and Kosyo organized gathering ...I would like to meet you .
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The full draw pic. Is nothing short of art!!!
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Wow, that is awesome, super nice work. When I'm grown up, I'm gonna have a beard like you and build such phantastic gear ;D
Really also loved the one you posted earlier with the cow horn.
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Beautiful. So you just glued and wrapped the siyahs and handle on, without splicing? Did you have any problems with stability or the siyahs twisting? Gorgeous bow!
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Sweet bow like those style of bows.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxIjru12uUE&list=UUzNjsGSk-vFoeGA1eYL_AMA&index=1
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Fantastic!
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sweet mess of bows, and a great video of the young girl shooting
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Very nice bows. I bet they are smooth shooters.
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Great Work!!
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Those are incredible bows.Excellent. God Bless
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Beautiful work!
Wonderful seeing the video of the young gal shooting , your daughter?
its also great seeing a "European" , proud of his own indigenous heritage, and replicating the skills
of his own ancestors. keeping these arts alive and passing it on to the younger generations.
When i'm giving presentations in local schools using stories and showing traditional arts of my own native ancestors in this country,
I have to remind American children that not only Indians shot bows and arrows! Their own ancestors
were highly skilled at knapping flint points and making even similar things that my own ancestors did.
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Well done!!!
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new core ready for horn..
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G.
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Nice, thank you for posting those pictures of your core, it is very helpful and interesting. It looks to me like you simply glued the handle to the core strip of wood, but you did cut and spliced the siyahs to the core strip. Is this correct? And man, masterful work, thank you for sharing.
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Handle is glued onto core, siyahs glued with V splice.
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WOW!!!!!!!!
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I love seeing these Asiatic composites. I love the simplicity of a self bow, but no more than I love these advanced bows. Thanks for sharing the schematics, they almost make it seem easy enough to try myself. It is helpful to see it broken down into parts like that.
Are these limbs equal length, and do you bring it to a positive tiller. A couple of the bows (pic of the 4 finished bows) appear to have a strong positive tiller.
Great work and thanks for sharing!
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Yes, a photo with 4 bow have two symmetric bows with positive tiller and two asymmetric / lower limb and syah is shorter / this gives peace of wrist, kick less in asymmetric.
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Idon't comit on many bows unless there exture nice and your's is SWEETTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT.
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Keep the build along going. ;D
Grady
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Handle is glued onto core, siyahs glued with V splice.
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Cool, thanks!
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Holy cow those are nice bows. Is it possible to pull that off with some other material? as in perhaps wood/sinew or Fibergl@$$?
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Holy cow those are nice bows. Is it possible to pull that off with some other material? as in perhaps wood/sinew or Fibergl@$$?
May be only sinew and osage to make a good lever bow! With fiberglass I never to work.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1YJ03Voixg&list=PLD039677E7D00BEA8
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I can't work with fibergl@$$ anyway.
But osage... I can't get the stuff. Locust?
Hm...
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Yes, a photo with 4 bow have two symmetric bows with positive tiller and two asymmetric / lower limb and syah is shorter / this gives peace of wrist, kick less in asymmetric.
"Peace of wrist", that is a very poetic way of saying less handshock. Thank you.
Everytime you post a new bow I get all excited over again. Your craftsmanship is inspiring. I can only imagine how much I could learn as your apprentice. Again, George, thank you for posting another beautiful bow.
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Very nice set of bows you made there.I have one of that style grooved and glued together too last March.I hav'nt applied the sinew to it's back yet.I imagine it does'nt hurt to wait with that.My handle or grip is glued to the back of bow though as yours is glued to the belly.I'll show mine here too as soon as I get rid of the gliches I encounter while trying to post pictures on this forum.
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I have not done a handle on the back so far. But I've seen. Also, a core which is surrounded. Handle on the back and belly.
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Here's mine so far }|{opukc.
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It has to be sinewed yet.
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Nice work Opukc....cool bows.....didnt the Huns make 150# + bows?
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Here's mine so far }|{opukc.
Nice work Beadman - You Had to do kasan area and it would be wonderful turkish bow.
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@dragonman - I doubt for a 150, but 90-120 is very real.
This bow is made from Peter Benchik from Hungary, it si replica of hungarian bow / funeral mound in Szeged - Hungary/, the bow pulling 140#@28"
https://plus.google.com/photos/105034596201222845369/albums/5793854842288648737
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Yep I agree }|{opukc.I don't figure to need bridges on that one.I'll try to get the tips reflexed to within 6" of each other with three courses of sinew.
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Hello.Would this help?I think it's doable and durable enough.I'm worried about it stacking at full draw without it.28 to 30 inch draw.The bow will be 50 and 3/4" NTN.
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Glued on sections of edge grain wood and then horn to increase tip angle.Or is it not going to be necessary.
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Siyahs can not pay now. But section before kasan frame is possible. This with dry heat. Then Horn. Sorry, but my English is very bad. I hope you understand correctly .. :)
This bow is a similar construction like yours with 3 layers sinew - this bow making by my friend.
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Fulldraw pic 80#@30"
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Thanks for your reply and that's ok I understand you well and good.I just hope you understand me...That's a pretty nice bow of your friends there too.By the look on your friends face though pulling 80# is enough for him.Do these horn bows feel less at full draw then what the actual draw weight it is pulling,or do you have to get into making horn bows up around the 120# draw weight to have that effect?.Can a bow pulling 65# feel like maybe 50# at full draw?Have you shot your friends bow?
I did steam bend my core on the last six inches of each end 2" set back each before putting on siyahs and glueing horn to core.
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Very nice. Markus :)
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Can a bow pulling 65# feel like maybe 50# at full draw?
No, I did not shoot with this bow.
Horn bow is like a system of levers, power is very uniform in final inches draw. Self bow force stops at full draw and bow as blocked. Hornbow pulls smoothly and evenly - even at fulldraw may more and more.
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OK thanks for the info,I understand the lever theory and I have accomplished that with self bows too.It's about what I've heard from other sources about the smoothness of draw continuing on and on with horn bows.How long was your friends' bow?Sorry I'm so full of questions but I get that way when I'm into something I'm interested in.My bow will be 50 and 3/4" NTN.Will 28 to 30 inches of draw be plesantly possible?
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Yes, 50" is very well. In general, this is a standard length - between 48-52" . Hun bows is a 54"
Bow above was 43" or 45" I'm not sure exactly.
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Thanks for reply about the length of your friends bow.It is a shorter one then.Is there a picture of his bow at rest after shooting?I will try to keep as much reflex in the sal area [working or bending portion of my bow] through sinewing more there than the rest of the bow for performance reasons.Leaving levers stiff.Adam Korpowitzs & Jeff Schmidts way of sinewing.I've done it that way before with good success on self bows.It's been nice talking to you and congratulations on the accomplishments you've made on all of your horn bows.They are truly a work of art.Time consuming yes but still awsome!!!!!
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You can turn sal section of reflex and then siwened
This is my partner / Marian Manyovski / - I worked with him bolmaking.
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I am not a member of facebook.Nor do I intend to be but thanks for info.I think when you say turn sal section of reflex you mean reverse bracing correct?Yes I've done this numerous times while sinewing for more reflex on self bows.Putting sinew into compression horn on belly into tension as it's reverse braced thus the bow will relieve itself when it is braced then store more and more energy not getting overstrained to full draw.Making a more durable bow that'll last for quite some time.
Here are a few pctures of what I mean.This is a very efficient bow and shot at least 1000 times.
A sinewed hard maple,birch back covered with gemsbok horn on belly.58 and 1/2" NTN,52#@28".
First resting then the back and then the belly.
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back
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belly
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The extra length on this bow compared to a horn bow gives me more stability and accuracy in my opinion.Maybe not for all.I'm just talking about me.I love this bow.