Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: triggerfinger on June 22, 2011, 03:54:00 pm
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I wanna make a bow, obviously I will need a stave. There are tons for trade in the classifieds but I have no idea what a stave is worth. Im sure there are lots of variables but what dollar value would you put on a high quality stave. I dont wanna trade a diamond for a turd, and I dont wanna insult anyone either.
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Is there any reason why you can't harvest your own wood?
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You can generally expect to pay anywhere from $20 to about $90 for domestic wood, and beyond $100 for foreign wood (european Yew, Ash, or Elm). Just remember that whatever the stave is worth, will also have shipping added to it, which is another $15-$25.
CP
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Value can vary greatly.One of the main things though is to know what you want and be able to communicate that to the trader-seller.Just saying a good stave can mean different things to different people.Do enough research to be able to describe exactly the kind of stave you expect and even then you may have to settle on something a little less that what you are looking for.The most perfect stave might even be a set of billets.
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I agree if you can harvest your own most white woods can be roughed out and turned into a bow within a couple months depending on drying conditions. I have seen some nice Osage going on e bay for fair prices. Really it comes down to what the person selling the stave sees its value being. There are allot of good guys on here who would just send you a stave if you just payed a few dollars more than shipping to make it worth there time. Head over to the trading post and post up what you have to trade and you can probably work something out.
Josh
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I wuld start with a board bow or to,to get the feel of the craft. Try Georges site it has some great info and how too's
http://georgeandjoni.home.comcast.net/~georgeandjoni/
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I wuld start with a board bow or to,to get the feel of the craft. Try Georges site it has some great info and how too's
http://georgeandjoni.home.comcast.net/~georgeandjoni/
Good advise ;D
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Board bow ....yes good advise. But go cut wood and prep it first. And then while your wood is drying make a board bow or two to understand how to tiller
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Board bow ....yes good advise. But go cut wood and prep it first. And then while your wood is drying make a board bow or two to understand how to tiller
Even better advise haha ;D
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wow, i guess i opened a can of worms.
I cant cut my own wood because i dont have a place to cut or dry wood, and maye most importantly....its freakin hot out and i just dont wanna
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??? I guess im not sure where you think you opened a can of worms ??? If you plain dont want to harvest your own wood then do as others have advised buy it or get on the tradeing post and see what you can get. ;) GOOD LUCK :)
Josh
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Its kinda funny, my famly has a farm in se ks that s covered in hedge trees, or osage as you all call it. Theres probably 50 bows worth in a brush pile up there, matter of fact we gavesome to a guy a few years back for just that purpose. and then i have about 6 10ft logs of walnut up ther drying for stock making. Too bad ks is so far away
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??? I guess im not sure where you think you opened a can of worms ???
I figured it was a fairly easy question, did not expect the deluge of responses. honestly i would go cut some ifi had a pace to do it, didnt have to move the wood in 45 days and if i had any idea what i was doing
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The cool thing about the trading post is you both get a good deal, much better than buying. Post what you are looking for, a good stave for a new builder. Tell what you have to trade and let the more experienced guys tell you what they think is fair. 99.9% of the guys on here will make sure you get a better deal than you would if you set the terms so trust them to take care of you.
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The cool thing about the trading post is you both get a good deal, much better than buying. Post what you are looking for, a good stave for a new builder. Tell what you have to trade and let the more experienced guys tell you what they think is fair. 99.9% of the guys on here will make sure you get a better deal than you would if you set the terms so trust them to take care of you.
sounds like solid advice
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??? I guess im not sure where you think you opened a can of worms ???
I figured it was a fairly easy question, did not expect the deluge of responses. honestly i would go cut some ifi had a pace to do it, didnt have to move the wood in 45 days and if i had any idea what i was doing
Guess that goes to show what a helpfull buch these guys are ;D ;) I have had good luck asking land owners like the fellow in KS did on your familys property, also you can usually get a permit on FS land to harvest wood. You may also have luck if you do want to eventually get your own wood talking with fruit farmers, most fruit tree wood makes good bows and they sometimes will have wood from trimming trees. I may have missed it but where did you say you live? Again agoerges site has great info on board bows and other great info and the nice thing is im sure you have a home depot or lowes in your area and they will usually carry red or white oak and sometimes Hickory boards and they are perfect to start out with because they are usually nice and straight. ;D
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If this is a hobby you find you enjoy then the obsession will cause you to go cut your own wood. <----that was with a period ;)
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Hey Triggerfinger the trading post is a good way to go if you are going to be up this way soon I can set you up with the most durable stave I have ever used. It is laminated but It will allow for a mistake or two and still yealed a good bow. It will be bamboo backed hickory with your choice of tip over lays and handle. it is not as simple as a regular board bow but that bamboo and hickory combo sure is forgiving. I can mail you one as well if you have anything to trade.
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They are worth plenty if you dont have access to cut. I pay or trade things of decent value to get osage staves. There just isnt much osage around here to cut. Plenty of white woods, but not yellow wood. A fella in Indiana may think your crazy to pay much for osage, but would pay good money for yew or vine maple from Washinton. Geography has alott to do with the value.
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"what is the value of a good stave?"...two horses, a hunting knife and a woman who can't cook :)
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From my own personal view it's all about the person who wants the stave.
I have a few staves in my garage, if the right guy made the effort to contact me and visit, and I felt he would do justice to the wood I'd try to find him a stave.
One of the ladies from our club made a bow on a course and wanted to try another. I took her over to the woods and helped her pick out a piece of Hazel which we cut and split.
I've also learned that people sometimes don't put much value on what they get for free.
What I'm trying to say is, to me, the price is inversely proportional to the effort you put in.
Del
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If you are going to build a first bow, I say, screw a board bow and go ahead and start a nice, simple, Osage bow. You can learn what a good piece of Osage looks like, how to chase a growth ring and tillering. And most Osage is a lot more forgiving than some boards or other wood. There are some nice Osage staves on the Trading Post. I'd expect most real good Osage with shipping would run around $100-120 if you buy one from a dealer. Or you could order an Osage blank from Rattlestick Bows that are all most floor tillered with the growth ring already chased.
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The cool thing about the trading post is you both get a good deal, much better than buying. Post what you are looking for, a good stave for a new builder. Tell what you have to trade and let the more experienced guys tell you what they think is fair. 99.9% of the guys on here will make sure you get a better deal than you would if you set the terms so trust them to take care of you.
That is good advice.. I have been trading ever since ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
And I have had lots and lots of fun doing it and getting to see my skins on so many trade bows ;)
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Del is right if no works been put into it It dos'nt mean much at least to me. Cutting your own wood as much part of building the bow as the bow itself. But after you build a bow or two you'll understand what I mean. But by no means is buying or tradeing for a stave wrong. I've did plenty of both.
I agree with what someone said. GET A STAVE
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I think a stave bow is much more interesting than a bow froma piece of who knows what from the lowes depot. criveraville offered up a nice hickory stave im gonna try and end up with. Lets see how little i can make the value of a stave ;D