Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: Hartknifemaker on January 10, 2014, 11:51:25 am
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I was wondering about bow stabilizers and if you could use them on a short bow to make it just as accurate as a longer bow?
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you are seriously moving towards training wheels!! lol :o
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The best stabilizer is practice.
Grady
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How would you attach a stabiliser to a self bow?? And, don't you think it would look just a little bit out of place?
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You could do it with dowels mounted with glue to the riser. Then you can go to Hobby Lobby and buy some of those wooden wheels they have and,, wow,, the sky is the limit with what you might come up with :o ::) ;)
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It's a great idea if you want to take the mickey out of the target archers. I'd suggest a couple of yard brooms bound on with duct tape.
Other than the afore mentioned purpose the idea horrifies me :o
Or maybe you could strap and anvil to the grip??? ::)
Del
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You could get by with one yard broom Duc taped to your but so you could lean back and stabilize the whole body.
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You could get by with one yard broom Duc taped to your but so you could lean back and stabilize the whole body.
I think there's a purpose built socket on one's anatomy for that use >:D
Del
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Stabilizers aren't put on short bows to make them shoot as nice as long bows. They simply stabilize "a" bow, long or short. That being said. Its a fiberglass/wheely bow thing and has no merit in primitive archery. There are other ways to make a shorter wooden bow shoot closer to a longer bow.
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Rough crowd >:D
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Stupid question >:D
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Now Adam, you know there is no such thing as a stupid question. ;)
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;D ;D ;D No sir... no stupid questions here. Sorry Pat... couldn't resist. It might not be the most stupid question asked on this forum, but I'll bet it's in the top 5. ::)
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i know i have asked alot stupider questions. i think it would be neat if you had a stave with an intact branch sticking way out from the handle :laugh: you could carve a hook in the end of it to hang your bow while you pull arrows or take a leak. now ya got me thinkin and im gonna have to look out for the right tree 8)
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or you could haft a spear point to it for when the other guy gets in close >:D
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with a bow like that you could get funny looks from EVERYBODY at the shoot... instead of just half the people. thats a win. im gonna do it..... Naysayers.... hah ::)
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or you could haft a spear point to it for when the other guy gets in close >:D
Ya mean like this? >:D
http://www.primitivearcher.com/smf/index.php/topic,36338.0/nowap.html
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I get hot every time I see that bow, Chris. ;D
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i did think of that one :) but i mean like a good two footer.... with a stone point hafted on.
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I get hot every time I see that bow, Chris. ;D
Oh my!!!!! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: ;D I can set you two up for a date if you'd like? Ya know it was hanging up in the twin oaks bow shop at the last classic...ya shouldve grabbed it and snuck off into the woods by your lonesome >:D
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And kept it, he wouldn't have know the difference!
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im thinkin the OP misses the point of the forum..and just doesnt realize that in PRIMITIVE archery......our arm IS the stabilizer..maybe they think the bows are heavy..like those wheelie thingys made of ...well whatever they are made of.
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ahem...and maybe give them a break...just a lil bit. maybe...maybe not. >:D
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Sounds like Pat needs some alone time with Vlad!!
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Wow come on guys learn some respect Especially the " stupid question" comment There really is no such thing, when you say things like that it makes people afraid to ask questions you should be encouraging it !!
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yeah there are no stupid questions- keep 'em coming OP. I think you could strap on a stabilizer, but it wouldn't make a short bow as accurate as a long bow.
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Hey I got a STUPID question.....how come we don't have a civility and manners "how - to"? Couldn't find a single mention in the how to section?
rich
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I normally just observe these kind of conversations but here is my input i think that if he wanted to try it ok but maybe he is new to primitive archery and needs some kind advice
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I would bet you could buy an insert that you could screw a commercial stabilizer into that could be mounted in the riser section of a bow. I've seen fiberglass recurves with them.
Don't worry this is an open minded group of people, you should have no problem finding some info.
A stabilizer might not be something you would find on a traditional bow, but neither is a broom handle take down or a fiberglass or pvc sleave take down. I'm also fairly certain traditional bowers didn't use super glue or even epoxy glues. Everyone needs to determine how primative they want to be and where they draw the line.
Let he who does not use a chainsaw for cutting his staves, a car for transporting them, a bandsaw for shaping them or a climate controlled electrically lit building for storing and drying them throw the first metephoric stone.
I would bet that my ancestors both native american and european would have used a stabilizer on their bows if it would have helped there accuracy in the hunt or war.
Don't let other people dictate the direction you want to try. I can imagine several ways to create and mount a "primative" stabilizer. The art and craft of wooden bows should not be frozen in past desings simply because someone else says they should. And if that is the limit of this forum I would like to see the historic models that the last years bows of the month were based on.
As for the utility of some sort of stabilizer on such a bow, based on the comments not sure you will find a definative answer here. I say give it a try. Worst case you tweek a few people's ego's when you screw the stabilizer into your osage self bow. ;D
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Let he who does not use a chainsaw for cutting his staves, a car for transporting them, a bandsaw for shaping them or a climate controlled electrically lit building for storing and drying them throw the first metephoric stone.
Well said that man. Most of us are messing about with 'primitive archery' if we are honest. How many people stick to the above sentiment? Remember it was only another human who invented compounds, stabilisers, guns, epoxy, clamps, vices etc. It's human nature to do this sort of thing.
As an aside me and a friend decided to make a primitive bow all dolled up with stabilisers, sights , etc but you really don't want to know what we came up with to use as a peep sight >:D >:D......still never did get that bow finished, it would definately give some of you guys a laugh!
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To be serious for a minute.
You can't ADD a stabiliser to a short bow.
It needs to be designed to have one fitted in the first place. E.G it needs enough wood below the grip to insert a bush.
The joker who said dill a hole and glue in a bush ... is asking for the bow to just break in half at the first draw.
Yes, you could mount a commercial stabiliser or you could make one out of a boo shaft with some wooden weights, leather damping etc. I expect it would be fun until you trod/sat on it and broke it, or it kept getting snagged in the brush.
I still think it is a hideous idea and only really appropriate at a shoot on April 1st.
Del
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To be serious for a minute.
You can't ADD a stabiliser to a short bow.
It needs to be designed to have one fitted in the first place. E.G it needs enough wood below the grip to insert a bush.
The joker who said dill a hole and glue in a bush ... is asking for the bow to just break in half at the first draw.
Yes, you could mount a commercial stabiliser or you could make one out of a boo shaft with some wooden weights, leather damping etc. I expect it would be fun until you trod/sat on it and broke it, or it kept getting snagged in the brush.
I still think it is a hideous idea and only really appropriate at a shoot on April 1st.
Del
+1
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They make a strap on threaded wooden piece just for bowfishing. I have one and you could screw anything into it with the proper threads.
Hey I got a STUPID question.....how come we don't have a civility and manners "how - to"? Couldn't find a single mention in the how to section?
rich
Feel free to start a Thread, Rich.
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:)
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I seem to remember someone building and posting a fully functionall ALL WOOD COMPOUND on this website. While it was universally panned as an unrealistic attempt at improving primitive archery, everyone complimented him on workmanship and a seriously bent sense of humor!
The OP here sounds like he is looking to do some serious experimentation. Not my cup of chickory, but I'd definitely read posts of his results with interest.
Hartknifemaker, I don't think the guys were taking a poke at you, but we sometimes let ourselves get a little out of hand having a little fun. I know, because I am probably the worst one for it in here. Stick around and take your fair share of potshots at the rest of us.
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I seem to remember someone building and posting a fully functionall ALL WOOD COMPOUND on this website. While it was universally panned as an unrealistic attempt at improving primitive archery, everyone complimented him on workmanship and a seriously bent sense of humor!
The OP here sounds like he is looking to do some serious experimentation. Not my cup of chickory, but I'd definitely read posts of his results with interest.
Hartknifemaker, I don't think the guys were taking a poke at you, but we sometimes let ourselves get a little out of hand having a little fun. I know, because I am probably the worst one for it in here. Stick around and take your fair share of potshots at the rest of us.
Aw c'mon JW couldn't you manage just a little dig >:D
Del
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Absolutely not, Delicato!
MY bows need no stabilizing. I, on the other hand, am the unstable one.
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You mean a toilet paper roll holder?
Lol I'm just yanking your chain man, build and shoot whatever you want. If that's a stabilizer, go for it!
Jon
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I gather there are not that many bow fishers here. If there are some, most of them must be just shooting extremely long arrows, instead of attaching spools to their bows. Using five foot arrows might be viewed as using a "removable" stabilizer. Does it actually work for that purpose?
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Ok I'm a little late here but I never really read a 100% good explanation on the question at hand. But first off I want to say Hartknifemaker don't let these bullies >:( get under your skin they really are some of the worlds finest people, give us a little slack after all we are primitive. >:D Now for the question! A stabilizer as said before does not make a bow shoot better, it rather acts as more a pendulum effect on the shooters bow hand. Thus it puts the weight of the bow below the bow hand stabilizing the vertical line of the bow. Most common on target bows and/or compounds shooting with sights. This has basically no merit in traditional or primitive archery either one, due to most of us shoot with a slight to extreme canter. But before I built my own bows I shot a bear take down hunter (re curve) that had an insert for such gadgets. I thought it a waist to not use it, so I built a double edge 12" blade brazed a bolt on for the tang to give it a brass look near the bow. It was quite the conversation piece at shoots and in the field (its intended purpose) I called it my bowanette and answered the typical questions of it with. It's all about the kill if the arra don't get ya the bowanette will. :)
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I gather there are not that many bow fishers here. If there are some, most of them must be just shooting extremely long arrows, instead of attaching spools to their bows. Using five foot arrows might be viewed as using a "removable" stabilizer. Does it actually work for that purpose?
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Hart: As you can probably decipher, a stabilizer is really not the solution where a shorter selfbow is concerned. Short bows are my favorites and for myself, I make plenty and prefer them to the longer bows for hunting, especially. Longer bows are indeed more forgiving and for me my shooting is more consistent on the 3D courses with them. However, in tight conditions and for the shorter shots, I can be very accurate with my short bows. My best advice is practice. Make one and shoot the heck out of it exclusively. Avoid switching between your longer bows and the short one. Become one with your short bow and your shooting will improve.
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No bullies here :o, we're just playing. This type of question pops up at least once a year.
I gather there are not that many bow fishers here. If there are some, most of them must be just shooting extremely long arrows, instead of attaching spools to their bows. Using five foot arrows might be viewed as using a "removable" stabilizer. Does it actually work for that purpose?
Yep, I bow fish, that's why I own the strap on block I posted about.