Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: jeffp51 on February 11, 2015, 03:28:02 pm
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I would like to propose a thread where all of us who scored on the Sidewinder osage lottery share the work we do with those staves. I think Danny would enjoy seeing the fruits of his generosity, and I think it would be fun to see what everyone can make out of them. My stave should arrive later this week, and I can't wait to get started.
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That would be cool.
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I would like to see that as well.
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I'll participate!! Try to be gentle with the criticism ;).
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This should be epic. Theres gonna be a lot of great bows come outta that stash. Can't wait to start seeing it.
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As i promised sidewinder , i would go slow and do my best. So i'll try and post as i go and any tips and criticism is welcome.
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I'll do it.
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I had the thought of posting the finished bows from his stash in one thread, but buildalongs would be cool too!
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I'd be into that
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You can count me in. I am away from home for a work conference and my wife sent me a picture of my stave. I can't believe it arriveid already and I am not home to even see it. It is killing me!!😪
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Sure thing, I must warn all of you though, I dont have much time so my bow manufacturing is at a snails pace. XD
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I'm in! This should be a lot of fun seeing so many bows coming from different skill levels and styles.
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I am happy to see the response. For the real experts, it will be a chance to share the process a little, and for those of us who are less than expert, it will be a chance to learn together.
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Great idea! I'm in the same boat as dueb, though. I make my bows working on them a few hours at a time and I'm lucky to have one done within a month.
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I think that's a great idea. I must admit though, my wife and I just bought some land that we're trying to put a house and shop/garage on this spring/summer. My workshop consists of some clamps, the tailgate of my truck, and various hand tools right now ::). Plus, as I admitted to Danny, I'm relatively new to bows (staves in particular). You can bet though, once I'm ready I'll be looking for advice and posting pics.
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As with others my pace is really slow. I do most of my work from the bed of my truck as I'm usually sitting at soccer practice for my boys. But I'll try and keep a pic log.
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Sounds like a great idea. I'm in
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Listen. You guys are under no pressure. Work it as you see fit and post progress as you make it. Its all good. I dont like bow deadlines anyway. Takes the carefree fun out of it.
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I agree. there is no need to hurry. I am here for entertainment purposes only. In the words of Miracle Max, "Don't rush me sonny. You rush a miracle, you get lousy miracles." Same is true here.
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Like half the other guys posting here I am a slow and new builder...Should seeing all these sister staves turned into bows is going to be awesome.
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finally got my stave in the mail today. I keep looking at it trying to think how I can make two bows out of it, or if I should not try and get greedy. How wide does osage need to be?
Let's see what the rest of you are getting. . .
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Got mine today too. Took it down to one growth ring. Mine is pretty thin. I need to do some thinking about one knot in it not sure if I should cut it out or use it in the profile.
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Mine is waiting for me ,at the post office. I got home late frome work :(. Can't wait to see it in the morning. I like the idea of showing the progress of these staves. Such a generous thing for Danny to do for so many people. Thanks again man
Matt Kulchak
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Mine came today, too, and I'm liking it.
Going to chase a ring and rough it out this weekend and plug away at it when I have the time.
Thanks Danny!
(http://i376.photobucket.com/albums/oo207/okdoak/Wooden%20bows/osagestave_zpsade86a1c.png)
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I received my stave a few days ago. This is my first time putting the knife to osage. I must say this wood is a pleasure to work. Shagbark hickory is what I have the most access too so my first couple of bows and failed attempts have been with it. The rings are tight on my stave so I'm thinking this will be my first attempt at backing as well. I was able to follow a single ring throughout though, but there is one spot on the edge of the limb I went through. It must have been super thin there. I took my time and did the best I could. My stave has some snake, one decent knot and some pins. I have a little scraper work to do yet around those areas as I left them raised but could bring them down closer to those areas. I laid the bow out last night and began chopping out everything that didn't look like a bow. I also bobbed 6" off one end. The knot would have been dead center otherwise. As it sits right now we're looking at 62" tip to tip. limbs are 1 3/4" wide. Tips and constructive criticism is welcome. I have a bunch of short deer leg tendons I could back it with, otherwise I was thinking of making rawhide from the young doe hide I have in the freezer.
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Some more.
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That looks good so far! I would be a bit concerned about having the knot there if your fade works at all, but maybe that isn't a problem. I will let wiser, more experienced people comment on that if they want. I am hoping to get my Sidewinder stave roughed out this weekend.
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Wow those staves are nice! Just a little tip, don't leave to much extra growthring on a not, no matter the size osage can take knots very good but likes to lift splinters on extra growthrings, One ring extra is more than enough (very close to the knot).
very nice have fun!
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Nick,
After looking at the stave I sent you ( I couldn't remember who got what) I would say that one will not need to be backed. Those rings should be sufficient to make a bare backed bow. Just take your time chasing that ring down. You could back it if you want to but its extra work that won't be needed. Just don't violate around the knots. I also would probably not make it much more than 1 1/2" wide for a 62" length. Alot of mine are 60-62" and not usually wider than 1 3/8". No need to over build it. It is after all osage orange. I think that stave can handle it.
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Yeah Puck , looks like ya got some rings still showin , finish chasin that one down then do ur lay out
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On a second look, looks like ur leavin extra material for those knots, so never mind previous post
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Yup. The only extra material was around knots, and I'm going to clean them up before I go farther. Thanks for the tips guys. I took the sides down near 1 3/4 on account of that was my narrowest point. I'll heed your advice and go for an unbacked bow and do the best I can. This is new territory for this WI. boy. Stay tuned.
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That is a killer stave ya got there Puck. 1 1/2" wide is good to start with and you will prolly finish narrower. Do your part and that will make a nice bow.
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Need some counseling on my stave. It's pretty narrow and not very deep on one end. I plan on backing it with rawhide. What do you guys think? Also the one big knot in the picture should I cut it out or can you rawhide over holes? It's my first Osage so I just wanna make sure I get a bow outta her. Thanks again Danny!
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Sorry forgot the pics
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Big knot
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About a inch thick maybe a hair less on this small end.
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Puck,
Give us a ring shot from the end. Also what is most important is it deep enough in the middle for a handle area? 1" on the thin end is more than enough at the tips.
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I am certainly no expert, and so other opinions are probably more valuable, but it looks to me like going around it, following the grain should make a nice snakey bit. if it is near the center, then it may make for a center-shot bow.
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Can't wait to get mine!! I'll be posting some pics as I go along as well.
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I am certainly no expert, and so other opinions are probably more valuable, but it looks to me like going around it, following the grain should make a nice snakey bit. if it is near the center, then it may make for a center-shot bow.
are you saying to go around it by leaving it in?
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I was thinking cut it out, but it is hard to tell what that would leave you.
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That was my thoughts. The wood on the back side of the knot is super thin.
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I got mine today. Thanks again Danny. I will get some pics up soon. :)
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I didn't get a stave but I think I am going to learn a lot by keeping up with all of this very kool idea.
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Yeah puck those are blind man rings >:D and if this bind guy could chase them you are fine :laugh:
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Gonna have to follow along in this one. Purty cool idea, Danny! ;)
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UPDATE: I cleaned up the back of my stave last night. I noticed what looks like a hairline crack on the edge of the limb. I've rasped it down some. Its in the inside of the snakey limb. If I keep going deeper the snake will get more pronounced. I've also reset my layout lines to 1 1/2". I'm a little stuck. The second pic shows where I violated the grain a bit on the same limb which was one of the original reasons I thought of backing it. If I chase down to that ring I may really be in a pickle because That ring and all the underlying rings are super thin and I don't know if I'll be able to maintain it. What should my next course of action be?
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From what i can see that crack won't hurt anything iymt doesn't run off the edge does it, just clean up the back and go to town, if you are really worried you can back it with thin rawhide
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It appears to just run straight a few rings in from the back about 3" long. Its hard to say how deep it may be. either way this is a great learning experience. I can't wait for the weather to break so I can work bows outside. My basement is not well suited at the moment.
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Just got mine in the mail today! Haven't had much of a chance to look at it but it looks good. Dark brownish-orange and a little bit of snake and twist to it. I will probably get another bow or two under my belt before I tackle it. :laugh:
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Started mine today. Had to work down a couple rings. Tomorrow will draw on profile and cut out.
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Here's what I got
64" ish 1 3/4" ish wide
Slight twist on one end
(http://i1279.photobucket.com/albums/y539/IdahoMatt1/image.jpg3_zpsfepmumjv.jpg) (http://s1279.photobucket.com/user/IdahoMatt1/media/image.jpg3_zpsfepmumjv.jpg.html)
Front
(http://i1279.photobucket.com/albums/y539/IdahoMatt1/image.jpg2_zpsirmasd6s.jpg) (http://s1279.photobucket.com/user/IdahoMatt1/media/image.jpg2_zpsirmasd6s.jpg.html)
Side
(http://i1279.photobucket.com/albums/y539/IdahoMatt1/image.jpg1_zps0mqndvau.jpg) (http://s1279.photobucket.com/user/IdahoMatt1/media/image.jpg1_zps0mqndvau.jpg.html)
Wondering about a belly split. What do you guys think?
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This is going to be great to watch! Sidewinder, you have helped a lot of people that did not live in Osage country experience building with the wood. That is a great generosity on your part!
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Matt, I would take it down to a clean ring on the back first and then look at how much depth is left. Hard to tell from the pictures if there is enough meat for a belly split.
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Matt I wouldn't mess with a belly split. After chasing a ring there are some spots that look like it won't be thick enough.
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That's what I was thinking Clint, hope it works out. I have a little remodling this weekend but I think I can find a little time to chase a ring. The rings are pretty nice on this stave so it shouldn't take too long.
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I agree with Jon. You might be able to split some off the belly but probably not enough for a good bow. I do like to split the belly down some to reduce the time on the draw knife I have. I would leave at least 1 1/2" thick at the handle to start with.
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Got mine tillered out to just past brace on low string then heated some prop twist out. Will put on the rawhide backing tomorrow possibly. Question what do I do with rawhide when going over a hole? Do I cut out the hole when I apply it? Never had to deal with a hole yet. I must say I am in love with osage. It works so nice.
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Got mine today and it looks great!! Can't wait to post some pics!!! I'll be looking for advice for sure.
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Im in. Might take me a bit of time but I would love to post what I come up with. But im not all that good yet so any help alot the way is greatly appreciated.
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That#s a cool thread and a great offer from Danny. Wish I could take part.
Can't wait to see what you all are doing with that sticks.
Matt: that dark brown beauty ... ------ I can see the bow in it.
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Got a ring chased last night waiting for some heat corrections to cool last night. Took longer than I thought there was a spot that I had to get a small chisel out on. The color is stunning that is Danny. This stave should keep me busy.
(http://i1279.photobucket.com/albums/y539/IdahoMatt1/image.jpg1_zps7g2rudmq.jpg) (http://s1279.photobucket.com/user/IdahoMatt1/media/image.jpg1_zps7g2rudmq.jpg.html)
(http://i1279.photobucket.com/albums/y539/IdahoMatt1/image.jpg3_zpsl2jsnpu3.jpg) (http://s1279.photobucket.com/user/IdahoMatt1/media/image.jpg3_zpsl2jsnpu3.jpg.html)
(http://i1279.photobucket.com/albums/y539/IdahoMatt1/image.jpg2_zpslqpdfe3m.jpg) (http://s1279.photobucket.com/user/IdahoMatt1/media/image.jpg2_zpslqpdfe3m.jpg.html)
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That looks great Matt I'm gonna start chasing a ring on mine tonight.
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Did you reseal the stave after you chased that ring Matt?
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Yes I used shellac. To prevent checking in the off chance it might happen.
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Nice character and color in that osage Matt, that one should make an interesting bow.
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Got mine cut out and started takin off wood
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This is where I'm at now. I'm chasing a ring for practice since I haven't done it before. There is a thicker ring a couple down from this one that I will chase after I clean up the back. The stave has some good reflex and a bunch of knots to work around. Im pretty pumped about having an opportunity to work with this yellar wood. I will get some better pictures when I get the back cleaned up.
(http://i.imgur.com/1pW0QAv.jpg?1)
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I roughed out a bow today. this will be my first osage bow so we will see how it goes.
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I am loving this thread. good to see so many people trying out osage for the first time. Keep it coming. hope to get working on mine soon.
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Looking good, guys. Chased a ring on mine and got it roughed out. I still need to clean up around the knot and couple of pins. Hope to get it floor tillered this week, then take the twist out and get the tips lined up. It's going to be 62" long and has just under an inch of natural reflex. It has been a joy to work on. :)
(http://i376.photobucket.com/albums/oo207/okdoak/Wooden%20bows/osagestave5_zps8d1af759.png)
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Looking good guys. Only problem I have is those staves all look better than I remember. I think I want you to send em back....NOT. Won't be long and one of you guys will have one shooting.
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Looking good fellas,
Idaho Matt, your shop set up looks really nice and organized.
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UGH Looking at all these pictures got me wanting to get started on mine. >:D
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Sometimes it feels very ungoronized Aaron. But most everything has its place. The large cement mixer takes up a lot of room. I need to do something with it
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My unheated garage has finally stopped my bow work for awhile . I have been toughing it out but the last couple days have been ridculous. Weatherman says should warm up a bit this weekend, we'll see. Gotta love Michigan in Febuary.
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Sometimes it feels very ungoronized Aaron. But most everything has its place. The large cement mixer takes up a lot of room. I need to do something with it
What!! You've still got room for a couple of cars, some bicycles and a go-kart >:D
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Here is the stave I received.
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I started chasing a ring last night on the stave. I made it to the end with all the knots and slowed down.
(http://i1061.photobucket.com/albums/t475/Mrpdap/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-02/1FD87A4F-26B3-4B4A-B568-44AFB9A26CB7_zpsr4n3p3ak.jpg) (http://s1061.photobucket.com/user/Mrpdap/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-02/1FD87A4F-26B3-4B4A-B568-44AFB9A26CB7_zpsr4n3p3ak.jpg.html)
There are some wind checks that go a little beyond the ring I am chasing. I may need to go down one more ring.
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Sometimes it feels very ungoronized Aaron. But most everything has its place. The large cement mixer takes up a lot of room. I need to do something with it
What!! You've still got room for a couple of cars, some bicycles and a go-kart >:D
:) true
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Mike, after looking at the rings on that one, I'm not sure thats not a piece of mulberry that got mixed in. I don't remember cutting too much small diameter osage with rings that thick. I may need to send you another piece that I know is osage. Mulberry makes a good bow, don't get me wrong, buts its not osage orange. I think they are cousins or something of the sort. Is it a pale yellow or a darker yellow?
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I finished chasing a ring....well sorta. Somewhere at the bottom I jumped a ring around one of the branches. Good thing i 'practiced' i guess :P. I think I'm going to chase the 5th ring down in the last picture and see what that gives me. The stave is 62 1/4" long. Any insites are more then welcome.
(http://i.imgur.com/mffESOf.jpg?1)(http://i.imgur.com/KzsXtzD.jpg?1)(http://i.imgur.com/KFwVvJX.jpg?1)
(http://i.imgur.com/hiUR18p.jpg?1)
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Got mine a few days ago just haven't had much time to work it. But I do have a plan laid out for it. Thanks Danny.
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Danny, the stave I have is a pretty dark yellow. I am color blind so I am not the best judge of color but it looks almost an orange to me. If this stave is mulberry, I have never had that wood either and it is a wood I have on my list to make a bow out of. There is no need to send me another stave. I appreciate the wood I got from you.
I will post a better picture taken outside later today so you can help me know what wood I am working. 😃
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Danny, the stave I have is a pretty dark yellow. I am color blind so I am not the best judge of color but it looks almost an orange to me. If this stave is mulberry, I have never had that wood either and it is a wood I have on my list to make a bow out of. There is no need to send me another stave. I appreciate the wood I got from you.
I will post a better picture taken outside later today so you can help me know what wood I am working. 😃
those rings are intense :)
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How deep is that stave jooter? I'd take it down to that big ring like 1/3 of the way in. The deeper in the tree the more the branch knots will subside. Just my 2 cents
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I was thinking that....would I be able to split that top portion off? Or should I draw knife it all the way down?
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I'd draw knife it. Splitting never goes well for me on situations like that
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10-4 I'll get started tonight! ;D
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The stave being 62 1/4" would it still yield a stiff handled bow? If so how long should I keep my fades?
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4" handle, 1 1/2" fades.
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That's what I was thinking stringman...ty
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Danny, here is a picture taken with better lighting (I am not sure it is any better though) The stave is 60 inches long and looks like it came from a tree trunk that was 4 to 5 inch diameter. I asked my son (who is not color blind) what color he thought it was and he called it a yellow-orange. It is a pleasure to chase a ring on with those thick rings😀
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That's looks like mulberry to me. Won't be hard to chase a ring
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Sure doesn't look like osage to me
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Im thinking its a piece of mulberry. I harvested some at a friends place 2yrs ago along with some BL. Mulberry rings are usually fat like that. Like I said sorry I didnt realize I sent you a mulberry stave. You can definitley get a good bow from ot
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Like I said Danny, I have never worked mulberry either. Glad you told me before I start showing everyone my new "osage bow" though. Since I have never worked osage or mulberry I may not have figured it out.
People on this post will just have to allow 1 mulberry build along with all the other osage. ;D
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Well I like your attitude and look forward to seeing your mulberry bow. It is pretty mulberry too.
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Well I started reducing the stave down to the thicker ring as suggested. I have had to do it in stages as it is a lot of wood. The bottom picture shows a branch that may turn into a hole which I think would be cool but it may be to close to the edge of the limb. Won't know till I start to lay out the bow though I suppose.
(http://i.imgur.com/jyeBDoF.jpg?1)(http://i.imgur.com/Jewc6nR.jpg?1)(http://i.imgur.com/IpiBu6E.jpg?1)
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Aaron, thats looking like your getting the back established nicely. I will sometime measure from the off side of the knot to see if I have enough width to reduce the stave from one side in order to eliminate edge knots and then lay out my center line with whats left of the narrower stave. As an example, if thats a 2 1/2 wide stave you can take 3/4 off from the knot side and eliminate it and still have a 1 3/4 to work with on your width layout. Just a thought on a way to deal with it. Obviously you have to consider the orientation of the other knots and what effects that will have on their placement as well, but its something to consider.
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I'm having to do the reduction in stages since the ring I'm chasing is a little deeper in the stave. Those branches are hard to work around and I'm learning that my gooseneck scraper has become quite handy around pin knots. I'm gonna try and get it cleaned up between tonight and tomorrow.
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Looking good Arron.
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Well I worked around the first major branch and heres how far I got. It's a real pain trying to clean up around that little peg that's left. I saw Blackhawk make a bow with 'horns'. What can I do with the branch if I don't want to leave it? These are the next two knots I will be tackling. They are very challenging to work around!!
(http://i.imgur.com/TvlDkTK.jpg?1)
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Wow Aaron thats looking good. Whats the belly side of that knot look like?
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It's just shy of 3" thick and I dont see any sign of it on the belly. Same goes for the next two knots.
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I betcha when you start thinning the belly you will find it. Hopefully it will pith out and you can have a hole there.
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Ajooter, I love your stave! Those are a lot of fun! I got a question for you though. How do you like your stave press? I've been contemplating getting one for a while now.
I'm watching this thread lots of nice staves and good info as well. Good luck everybody. Patrick
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That's what I'm hoping danny! I like it Patrick. That was my 'red rider' this xmas :). It will hold just about anything! Sometimes you need to put something of similar thickness next to what your clamping but otherwise it works like a charm and the pad doesn't leave a mark on anything. I will have it mounted on my truck when the weather gets nicer.
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Good deal, did you get it from 3rivers?Patrick
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I think my gf ordered it directly from the manufacturers site.
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Well here's where I'm at now....having a hard time with the material around the branches. Any trick to removing it? I was going to duct tape around the areas and try and reduce them some with my nicholson 49.
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Thanks buddy!
I just got done chasing a ring on a very knotty Osage stave for my trade bow. They looked a lot like those. I was able to cut some of them off a bit with a saw then very carefully persuaded the unwanted rings to kinda pop off with my curved draw knife. Then kinda carved at it with my pocket knife then cleaned it up with my gooseneck scraper and knife.
No real tricks just a lot of time. Good luck and thanks again. Patrick
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I figured as much. If I can clear the ring all the way around the branches I've been able to then work the rings from the tip of the branch down all the way around. The problem is some of the branches that are left come out of the stave at an angle and it's much harder to get at the rings all the way around. I'm kind of nervous to start sawing at them.
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I don't know buddy without looking at it myself. That will have to be your call. I used a hack saw with the blade mounted at a 45. That way I could see what I was doing and could go slower. Patience and perseverance is the key! Good luck buddy! Patrick
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This is a pretty cool thread. I am spoiled rotted when it comes to lots of osage, as I live just a few miles from Sidewinder here in Kansas. Heck most farmers just cut it or burn it if it's in the way. I am excited to see guys that treasure this stuff like you guys are, and it is humbling to watch you work challenging staves and loving every minute of it (well, maybe with some curse words here and there!). Take your time guys, I know you can do it and osage can handle it. In fact, if it seems like too much, just remember that you can always make a really short unbacked bendy handle bow. Osage can handle that too.
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Well here she is almost all cleaned up. I took your advice Patrick and used my pull saw to take a lot of meat off of the knots. It looks like I'm going to have to lay the bow out down the right side of the stave.
(http://i.imgur.com/ts1tZ1W.jpg?1)
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Looks pretty good! I'm glad that worked out for ya! Before long those limbs will be a distant memory! Patrick
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Good job on getting the back cleaned up. Yeah layout the right side and if you have to incorporate the knot keep it in the middle.
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I may reduce it and let it sit for a week or two. If I choose to let it sit should I seal it up with something to prevent checking?
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I like to seal my backs with shellac just in case. If you do any heat corrections or heat treatment with an un sealed back you risk checking. That piece was welled cured but still holds some moisture. Better to be safe than sorry I think.
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Looks good man, a lot easier going for the thicker rings with all those knots.
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Well I got one limb roughed. Very rough haha. I'm gonna get the other one done then I'll seal the back good and start with heat corrections. It appears I may be able to get the alignment at the handle then just fix some deflex in one of the tips.
(http://i.imgur.com/Ei9QoxJ.jpg?1)
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Looks like my stave is a belly split. 60 inches, nice little bend. Should be a lot of fun. 😄
I would have never dreamed of trying a stave like this, but now I'm curious how things will turn out. It will be a few months before I can start. Thanks again Danny!
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Bad news!!! The opposite end of the stave checked on me. I should have sealed it up like you guys said. The check runs about 5" deep so if I cut it off I will be working on a 57" ttt bendy handle now. I'm pretty sure these are my only options.(http://i.imgur.com/m9nSGUZ.jpg?1)(http://i.imgur.com/NM3jVyq.jpg?1)
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Bad picture but where my thumb sits is the bottom I
of the check. Should I cut it off and seal it asap?!
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Seen one like that saved at mojam. They superglued and clamped it. Then bent recurves in it and put a camel bone overlay the length of the crack then an Osage underlay. Patrick
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I cut it off pat. I'll make a bow out of it just maybe not one for me. I'm disappointed but I have learned a ton working on this stave and I'm confident I could make a bow from this yellar wood one of these days.
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Good luck buddy, maybe one of these days I'll have some extra yeller wood and you could have some of that. I have a place to cut a bunch. Just have to wait for the weather to clear. Patrick
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If the weather dries up your way, and everything falls into place properly, pat you and i should have a few sticks...
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Thats true buddy, but the ones I get will be mine! At least for a little while >:D Patrick
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Well quit doing your dang rain dance over there and tell whoever pissed off Elsa to apologize so she "lets it go " and this global warming induced snow storm train wreck stops.
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I've made some progress. Heat treated the twist out and the limb tips are pretty close to lining up. Might have to move one over just a bit more. That "Floor Tillering" thread came at the right time because that's where I'm at now and I'm close to being able to put it on the tree. Floor tiller and getting it to low brace with an even bend is the hardest part of the whole process for me. I'll be going slow. Really like this stave and the natural reflex in it. Kinda hoping I don't wreck it. :o
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Greg thats looking good so far. You're gonna do it justice.
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I hope so, Danny. Thanks :)
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Heck yeah, im liking the looks of that. Looking forward to seeing it bend.
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Got my piece on a short string today. As u can see the limbs are naturally off set by about 11/2". There's a big knot in the middle of the handle, that gives it a pretty comfortable grip. The limb off set has been a challenge to equal lut the limbs, but i think i've got em close. Hope u can see the pics ok.
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I built a bow like that once. Same reason, had a knot in the handle. Shot it many times then donated it to a museum.
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That looks interesting. Now I remember why I sent it to you... >:D
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Yeah thanx, now i really gotta pay attention to what i'm doin. ;D
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That is wild. Is that on the same ring?
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Yep, same ring.
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Ajooter, can't you work around that check, maybe with an extra narrow tapering limb and tip, or tapering to the good side of the stave? If not, 57" is enough for a stiff handle as long as you don't draw as far back. Sidewinder just made a shorty that he will posting soon.
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I did cut it down....going for a bendy handle now. Had some alignment issues to work out gonna start tillering again.
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Well, it's bending. I tillered it using my gizmo, but I still don't know if it's right. I tried to keep it a little stiffer around the knot hump on the top limb and at the tips. I'm a few pounds over the 45# I'm trying to hit, but I still have to do the finish sanding. One thing I know for certain is that Osage rocks! And so does Danny. Thanks again for the stave!
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Man that looks nice to me. You did'nt know the catch when I sent it to ya was that if you made a good shooter out of it you had to send it to me for testing and approval...did ya?
Just kidding.
You could probabley stop right there and be satisfied but if you want to do a little more scrapping it might be on that upper knot belly a little and see if you can get it to come around just a smidge.
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Man I like the shape of that one! Did you say that Osage is a rock? Ooh, you said it rocks! You can probably see where I would get confused. Osage is tough stuff in both aspects! Patrick
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Man that looks good, i would keep it the way it is, shoot it and love it.
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Nicely done GB
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Way to get that thing bending man. Nice work
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Thanks guys! Guess I'll finish sanding it and shoot it in and see how the tiller holds up. At 62" it's the shortest bow I've made. I'm amazed that you guys make great stiff handled bows that are much shorter than that, like the beauty that Danny just made for his buddy. But I'm starting to think that anything is possible with Osage in the hands of a skilled bowyer.
Sorry, Danny, you ain't getting it back. ;D
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Bow looks great GB nice job!
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Thanks ajooter. Best of luck with yours! :)
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Killer osage bow there GB. Nice lines and tiller looks excellent, I think you got a keeper there.
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Thanks Badly Bent! I always admire the bows you make; beautifully tillered and finished.
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I have mad some progress on my Mulberry stave. I had to chase down a couple of rings because the back was littered with checks. Even after going down 2 rings, I am still seeing evidence of the checks in the current ring (although they are very shallow now).
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Since the rings were so thick, I had to take off a lot of wood. I would like some input about what weight I can expect out of what is left. The stave is 59 inches long. Below are some pictures of what I have left. I am definitely planning a bend through the handle bow. I think the widest I can have will be 1 inch wide.
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Any ideas on a weight to shoot for?
Thanks,
Mike
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Got me a nice ring chased on the back today. Smooth as a baby's bottom. I am trying to think how to cut the belly off of this for maybe a kid's bow. There is a whoopty-do in the handle area and some belly checking that might prevent it though. Superglue is in, and I will think on it for a while.
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Well after some setbacks I think I came up with a bow. I had some twist in the lower limb that I tried removing and ended up up with a check that I had to superglue and clamp. I then rawhide backed the bow and finished tillering. The tiller is far from perfect but it shoots nicely. I'm thinking it's around 45-50#@26" (my scale is giving me problems). I also included an unbraced pic.
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looks good to me... i like it!
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looks good to me... i like it!
+1
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I was in contact with rich (halfEye) and he talked me thru most of it. Now comes the finishing....my least favorite part :P
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Looks like you got it bending nicely. Good work!
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man that looks like a rocket launcher, noice!
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Nice bow ajooter, can't wait to bust into my stave!
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Nice job ajooter. You got that one tamed for sure. Nice bend.
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Jeff I have only worked mulberry twice so Im no help. Maybe someone else has some ideas. It looks nice so far though.
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So, been workin on this slowly but surely. The handle was naturally very wonky so i did a glue up of ipe and osage to help it flow. Also did ipe overlays on the flipped tips. Now gettin ready to do my first rawhide backing, got a couple questionable knots on the back.
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Here's a couple pics
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You could almost make it a pistol grip :o
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Yeah that's kinda what i was thinkin, we'll see. Now just nervous on how the backing is gonna turn out. I got it tillered out to 15" and the weight feels good. This is the most involved build i've done so fingers crossed it works out.
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stixnstones, pm sent. Patrick
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Hey guys I got my build all done for the most part haven't put a finish on it yet because I'm still thinking about possibly reflexing it and adding sinew. It came in a bit light bit shoots great for its draw weight. Thanks again sidewinder.
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Man those are really looking good guys and from the looks of things, those staves all ended up landing in the right hands.
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Finally finished it up. I shot about 200 arrows thru it and was really happy with it, so I didn't mess with the tiller anymore. I've put a few coats of Watco Satin Wax on it and will do a few more. The pic's I took outside make it look kinda washed out. It's a shame because it's a good looking piece of Osage. Also put a strip of cherry bark on it just because I really like cherry bark. :)
Thanks again, Danny.
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Man, thats a good lookin bow. I really like that cherry bark. Very nice work sir.
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Nice work sir...and the bark is a nice touch. I'll be posting mine soon once I get some finish on it.
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Great job. I'm still waiting to fully dive into mine. Finishing up a few projects right now.
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Thats a fine looking bow Greg. Good job and nice touch on the cherry bark.
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Thanks guys! :)
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Just pulled my sidewinder stave out. It has quite a bit of twist but ill work on getting that out with steam or dry heat. There's a knot one inch above center. What do you guys think about making that an arrow shelf. I'm not sure it will work. Any advice is appreciated.
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As drawn the arrow shelf will work perfectly. I have done it myself. Just keep the handle deep right there. The knot isnt providing much strength anyways so you arent loosing much structure. Go fo it. It will look good too.
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Just about done...little sneak peek
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As drawn the arrow shelf will work perfectly. I have done it myself. Just keep the handle deep right there. The knot isnt providing much strength anyways so you arent loosing much structure. Go fo it. It will look good too.
Thanks sleek! Much appreciated. I'm going for it.
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Wow ajooter. That artwork looks great. Cant wait to see the rest.
Timothy......go for it.
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Ajooted-that is some awesome art work. Can't wait to see the rest of it.
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Love that artwork, looks awesome!
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Paint job is eyeful. Congrats!
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Very cool!
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Just a taste.60" ttt rawhide backed pullin 48#@27. Put over 50 arrows thru er. Still gotta seal and dress er up. Will post more when she's done.
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Sorry the same pic went thru twice... Oops😊
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Nice lookin bend man! Can't wait to see her all did up!
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Thanx man, startin with shellac today.
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Looks like you got a shooter. Nice job GB
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Danny, really cant thank u enough. This bow has been not only a challenge but the most involved i've done. The top limb sitting above the bottom by about an inch thru the handle was like workin two bows at once. I had to flatten out the handle area and put in a lam to straighten it out. Used ipe for the handle lam and on the overlays. Did my first rawhide backing because of a couple suspicious knots and that turned out real cool lookin. Got a coat of shellac and a coat of tung oil on today. A couple more coats of oil and a handle wrap and will post more pics. Again thank you for an exciting ride😄
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Good looking bow, stixnstones. You got it bending nicely and I love the flipped tips. Nice work!
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Sorry Stix I got mixed up on whos bow I was looking at. Great job on a tough stave. Im glad I could play a small part in your developement as a bowyer. You handled the challenge better than I would have thats for sure.
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Just finished er up. 60" rawhide backed, flipped tips with ipe overlays. Ipe lams thru handle, buckskin handle wrap with deer leg bone arrow pass(thanx for the idea Carson) 1 coat shellac, 4 coats tung oil, 4 coats johnsons paste wax.
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Sorry , havin trouble with photobucket, wont let me post pics
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The fast workers are likely done, now for the slower guys. I had my neighbor help me cut off the belly pieces. the handle area of the primary stave takes a dip that made cutting or splitting a single full-length piece off. I will try to clean up the backs of the billets and splice them together. I thought about turning the billets end for end, so that I splice the former tips into the handle. How deep should splices be? 3"? 4"?
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I could use some advice. I am chasing a ring on my sidewinder stave and there is a bump that I am thinking I should avoid. I gave it a wide birth for now because I think there is a knot under it. What do you guys think? Should I take the wood off or just clean up around this bump and leave a layer of wood over it? My fear is that I will end up uncovering the knot if I mess with it.
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Is this the bottom of a knot or just a piece of fluff?
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Just a piece of fluff. No part of a knot is visible. Just the raised surface on what will be the back of the bow.
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Take it off, it will just be a bump, follow the profile on the belly, the rings will tell ya, just go slow around raised areas. If u leave that on its gonna pop off, u want one clean ring :)
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I agree. Just chase it to one ring and then follow the contour on the belly when you reduce the belly. It will give nice charactet. Even if it were a knot, they are not evil and can be delt with. I have found that if a knot on the back is not violated but follows the same ring it will be fine and stand proud.
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Here is some inspiration for you. This stave is one I will be working on for some time. Patrick
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Lebhuntfish, I'm looking forward to seeing that bow!
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Thanks Jimmy! May be a while, there is some questionable stuff going on with it. But the back ring is solid. It already has 3 holes from knots. But this one isn't a sidewinder stave. Just posted it for Halcon rojo to see. Patrick
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Thanks guys,that helps. I'll post some more pictures when I get that ring worked out.
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Mine is done! I've got to get some pictures up. I'm taking "Knotty" turkey hunting tomorrow.
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Well, Danny I finished the stave you sent me, and I have had great fun doing it. I ended up using it as my trade bow because it was the best piece of wood I had. I am really proud of how it turned out and I am glad I will be able to pass it on, but sorry to see it go. Final dimensions are 67" nock to nock and 58# @ 29". there is a little bit of snakey in the bottom limb that gives the bow a touch of character. The tips are some sort of african black wood/ebony substitute--very hard and very pretty. I liked the black and gold contrast and decided to continue the theme with the grip. I have always admired Simson's bows with their sharp-edged fades that transition to soft curves, so I tried to imitate them here. I hope he is flattered.
The recipient is one of the many avid hunters on this site so I finished the bow with 8 coats of tung oil rubbed down with pumice to create a satin finish like Gordon's build-alongs. Orion the hunter is meant as a talisman to bring luck in the hunt. I know some think he is holding a shield, but it always looks like a bow to me.
Thanks for looking and thanks for everything I learned from everyone on this site
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More--including the contrast between raw stave and full draw completed bow. Description is on the previous page.
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That's a great looking bow and I'll bet it's a shooter. Nice work!
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First time running through this thread. Great work y'all! Getting to see how y'all worked all the different challenges is immense help to a noob.
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GB thanks. It does shoot well--at least as well as the shooter, which doesn't say much.
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That looks great. I know whoever gets it will enjoy shooting it. Thanks for sharing.
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Sweet bow Jeff