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Offline wizardgoat

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Re: Winged elm AFB
« Reply #30 on: March 26, 2020, 09:21:18 am »
Nice one Ed! would love to try some elm one day

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Re: Winged elm AFB
« Reply #31 on: March 26, 2020, 07:56:38 pm »
Thanks wizardgoat....My elm supply is not what I'd like it to be either.I'm going to work on that this coming year.
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Offline HighEagle

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Re: Winged elm AFB
« Reply #32 on: March 26, 2020, 09:11:32 pm »
Man I have to say that's one of the best full draw profiles I've seen, And have to agree that that form looks perfect
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Re: Winged elm AFB
« Reply #33 on: March 26, 2020, 10:53:58 pm »
Thanks HighEagle......I'm lucky to 3D shoot with a bunch of knowledgeable bow making fellas and we kinda keep an eye on each others flaws while shooting.We keep an eye on each others arrow flight too.
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Offline bownarra

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Re: Winged elm AFB
« Reply #34 on: March 27, 2020, 03:39:16 am »
Master piece :)

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Re: Winged elm AFB
« Reply #35 on: March 27, 2020, 05:17:33 am »
Thanks bownarra...Not sure it's a masterpiece but appreciate the compliment.I started with a deflexed overall stave of 1.5".Reflexed it out to 5".It currently holds 3.25" after a couple hundred arrows through it.
I was curious myself how much reflex it would hold from it's deflexed starting position.In all around 50%.The deflexed position on this one did'nt hamper the final resting position after shooting it in.
I don't use a jig or heat gun holder while heat treating.I stand over top of it the whole time free handing it.Keeping it around 3.5 to 4 inches away from bow limb.Like Marc has stated many times.
This elm itself showed to be a very mallable type wood while heat treating.Unfortunately not all elm is the same.It held 100% reflex well after clamps were removed from form.Taking a bit longer to turn dark brown while heat treating.Thus the 1.5 hours per limb heat treatment.
All in all I've proven to myself anyway before that a bow like this will stay just as durable and resilient time wise as any moderate type design.This one will be the same.
« Last Edit: March 27, 2020, 09:00:39 am by BowEd »
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Offline backtowood B2W

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Re: Winged elm AFB
« Reply #36 on: March 27, 2020, 08:30:48 am »
profiles looking so great - also the bow!

Offline silent sniper

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Re: Winged elm AFB
« Reply #37 on: March 27, 2020, 10:18:43 am »
Ed, that bow is about as perfect as can be for a whitewood self bow. Excellent work!

Offline JW_Halverson

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Re: Winged elm AFB
« Reply #38 on: March 27, 2020, 11:18:09 am »
Ed, that upper limb asymmetrical canted fade-out is a great way to ruin a good piece of wood. I know, I've experimented with that time and again until I got it to work. Looks like you pulled it off! Good job, sir!

For anyone that wants to attempt this, lemme warn you to not let that fade-out bend at all, not even a hint! The limb will twist and shear out. Elm's crazy interlocking grain probably helped some, but the key is gentle tillering slowly sneaking into the fade.

Again, Ed, a smashing success off your bench! You never disappoint!
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Re: Winged elm AFB
« Reply #39 on: March 27, 2020, 12:36:14 pm »
Thanks fellas...I've seen some stellar self bows on here in the past from some characterish pieces of wood.This one not much so,and this type has been shown skillfully by others on here with good success.
One fade has more of a crown than the other somewhat to possibly make it look like a propeller but it is'nt.The bow is symmetrical with a little more natural deflex in 1 fade than the other but not much totaling to around 3/8" overall from fade to fade.The bow does'nt have much if any propellers overall to it.I pretty much took out any if at all while heat treating it.
I always jump at the opportunity in the past and now of a natural deflexed fade in handles from any way they have them naturally.Usually with success,but there's always the next broke bow on the horizon....Ha Ha.
Long ago I had a 63" D/R BL's bottom half of it's handle grip pop off once from this procedure while tillering.Just smooth oned it right back on and put a rawhide handle on it.Sinew wrapped the fades.Still shooting it.It had a bit more deflex per limb all the way to mid limb.To this day I think it's the only bow that has ever done something like that.So there is a limit.My diagnosis on that one was too short of fades.Around 1.25" a piece because of all of the side tillering I did to it.This bow has 1.75" fades a piece with no side tillering done to it.
« Last Edit: Today at 06:21:10 am by BowEd »
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Offline simk

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Re: Winged elm AFB
« Reply #40 on: March 27, 2020, 03:14:45 pm »
Coming in a bit late...but thats a stunning bow in many aspects. How you concentrate that bend right after the fades...great!

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Re: Winged elm AFB
« Reply #41 on: March 27, 2020, 03:23:59 pm »
Thanks simk.You outdid yourself on the hornbow thread also.I really think this bow does the majority of it's work midlimb.
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Offline simk

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Re: Winged elm AFB
« Reply #42 on: March 27, 2020, 03:35:02 pm »
Off course, you are right. I just meant, the bend starts right out of the fades - can't get any better.

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Re: Winged elm AFB
« Reply #43 on: March 27, 2020, 04:18:06 pm »
It can kinda look that way because of the natural deflex coming out of the fade.I left plenty of wood width wise to handle the inner limb integrity.
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Offline burchett.donald

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Re: Winged elm AFB
« Reply #44 on: March 27, 2020, 07:46:48 pm »
Ed,
         I can tell you took great care in that tillering...The unstrung profile tells the whole story...Nice!
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