Joe, yep I know about those horse wrecks, had a bit of one going out from camp. Kindof my fault I guess but if the pack horses would have just come along with out balking in a bad place. One finaly lunged and got around the tree then the other balked. Pretty soon they were both down hill from the tree, one hanging from her tail and the other from his head. After not being able to free them I cut the rope and the one hanging from his head cartwheeled down the hill and busted up the pack saddle. I was afraid he might be dead or dying 100 yards from camp, now that would have a fine bit of bear bait. Any way he was ok and the saddle the only casualty and we made it to the truck without further adoo. I put the camp well off the main trail so as not to be seen, it will be up for maybe two monthes and don't want some ranger telling me I have over stayed my time limit. We don'y have grizzlies to worrie about but I had my camp wrecked by a big blackie a few yeare back, Left no food in camp to attract them before the season starts. Good luck to you and Mike. Not that I think Mike needs luck, I think he makes his own as he goes. Oh and I really liked your buckskin outfit that Mike posted a picture of last fall. Kenneth