JM, the Dano who posts here now is a different guy from the one I was talking about. Like Pat said, the nutter heads work well, or my favorite, just a spent cartridge case. A .38 or .357 case fits perfectly on an 11/32" shaft, .30 carbine brass fits 5/16", and with cane, .30/30 or .30/06 hulls with the neck cut off often fit. They are tough, and don't slide under the grass, easy to find.