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Offline dantolin

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Re: Building the Vine Maple Bow
« Reply #60 on: July 15, 2015, 07:30:44 pm »
Loving it!!! Thanks for sharing, Gordon.

Offline Strongbow

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Re: Building the Vine Maple Bow
« Reply #61 on: July 15, 2015, 10:07:06 pm »
Gordon one of the first threads I stumbled across on PA was one of your build-a-longs.  I learned so much from that thread and it helped inspire me to take up the hobby.  Glad to see you are doing another one and I am learning new things on this one as well.  I loved how you demonstrated your setup for bending the handle for tip alinement.  I never really had a clear idea of the technique, or thought of using chalk lines as visual guides.  Can't wait to see what else is in store!

Offline RBLusthaus

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« Reply #62 on: July 16, 2015, 12:40:32 pm »
Love the tip on using a straight edge and marks made to align the stave handle and tips when bending the handle.  In past, I usually guessed how far to  go.   Very ingenious.  Seems obvious once shown how.  Thanks for sharing your know how. 

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Offline aaron

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« Reply #63 on: July 16, 2015, 01:23:04 pm »
awesome build, thanks. I use many of these same techniques with VM layout and building. How long did you steam that handle-? I have had little success with that- they either spring back or break.
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Offline Blacktail

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« Reply #64 on: July 16, 2015, 04:43:17 pm »
THIS A GREAT TREAD..i cant wait for the tillering to see how you do it...i might have to print this out...THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR DOING IT...

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Re: Building the Vine Maple Bow
« Reply #65 on: July 16, 2015, 04:53:48 pm »
arron, I will steam a handle for about 45 minutes. I've never had one break, but handles treated as such will have a tendency to spring back if you do not leave them in the form long enough. I usually leave a handle in the form for 24 hours after bending.

Thank you for all the nice comments!
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Re: Building the Vine Maple Bow
« Reply #66 on: July 17, 2015, 01:23:42 am »
I let the stave sit for a week and you can see it has gained some reflex. Vine maple that grows under high tension will do that. As you remove wood from the belly the wood cells along the back seem to contract and pull the bow into reflex. I've worked with a lot of different wood and this is the only species that I have encountered that does that.



A stave with this much reflex is quite challenging to tiller which calls for some unorthodox methods. To start I clamp the bow securely to my bench vise and put a stop on one limb. I then push on the opposing limb with my body and watch how it bends.





I switch limbs and repeat the previous step. Based on how the limbs bend I make marks on the belly indicating where I need to remove wood or not.



I'll repeat the preceding steps a number of times until I've removed enough wood that the stave is bending a bit easier. Then I place the stave between two saw horses and push down with my weight and evaluate how the limbs respond. It is helpful to take a picture of yourself doing this so you can evaluate the bend from a another perspective.


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« Reply #67 on: July 17, 2015, 01:25:19 am »
I am constantly checking to make sure that the limb thickness is more or less even on both edges. If one edge is getting thinner than the other then I take more wood off of the thick side while working the limbs down. An "X" marks the edge where I do not want to remove wood.



I'll frequently switch between the saw horse and bench vice to get different perspectives on the bending limbs.





I've got it bending to where I think it is ready to brace and in the process I've managed to work out some of the reflex. I know that some of you will think that I have induced unwanted set into the bow. But I assure you that so far I have hardly exercised the belly wood. All I've done is begin to unwind the cellular contraction process that I spoke of earlier. My goal is to end up with a little less reflex than what I started with when I began working on this stave.


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« Reply #68 on: July 17, 2015, 01:26:19 am »
In preparation for bracing, I am going to make some string nocks. I leave the tips pretty wide at this point in case I need to make some minor adjustments to the string alignment. Using a spoke shave and/or rasp I round the sides and belly of the tips and feather them into the mid-limb.







When the tips are nicely rounded I make a diagonal mark on the back one inch from each tip. This marks the spot where the string groves will be cut.



Using a needle rasp or file I cut a notch on each side of the tip using the mark as my guide. This helps ensure that the string groves will line up nicely when they are done.




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Re: Building the Vine Maple Bow
« Reply #69 on: July 17, 2015, 01:29:14 am »
After I make the initial starter notches, I carefully cut string groves on each side making sure that they line up nicely on the belly.








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Re: Building the Vine Maple Bow
« Reply #70 on: July 17, 2015, 01:34:00 am »
Now I'm ready to brace the bow for the first time. Not surprisingly the limbs do not bend evenly when the bow is brought to brace. The top limb is stronger than the bottom. Using a rasp and file I remove wood evenly along the top limb until the limbs balance out.





Now that the limbs are bending evenly I sight down the string to check the string alignment and I am delighted to see that the string bisects the center of the handle perfectly! So no further adjustments to alignment are necessary.



And here she is. I'm now ready to turn this girl into a real bow.




Next up - shaping the handle
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Re: Building the Vine Maple Bow
« Reply #71 on: July 17, 2015, 03:24:48 am »
Thanks again Gordon, you're doing a great job here. Very good info and pics.
Can't wait to see how you tiller this babe out, esp. top limb with the wiggles in it.
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« Reply #72 on: July 17, 2015, 09:36:33 am »
Thank you for the nice words Simon. I have to take special care around the dog-leg on the upper limb. A dog-leg is a common feature of vine maple and is prone to failure unless you leave it a little stiff. But you have to allow it to bend a little or the surrounding area will be over-stressed. It is a tricky balancing act.
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Offline Cloudfeather

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« Reply #73 on: July 17, 2015, 10:31:36 am »
Coming along great, Gordon! I love the last picture, "Yea, it's a bow. Wanna fight about it?" Lol

Offline Danzn Bar

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Re: Building the Vine Maple Bow
« Reply #74 on: July 17, 2015, 06:44:40 pm »
Who needs a tillering tree  :) ;).....really appreciate the way you tiller with saw horses and a vice.   8) :) very interesting I can see me trying that on the next one.
Thanks
DBar
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