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Badger:
Anyone who has ever seen a photo of Den Erickson drawing a bow will no longer take hime serious. His full draw looks to be about 16". He claims to run the 40 yard dash in something like 40 seconds. And is the greatest and anything that comes up. Steve
Justin Snyder:
--- Quote from: Badger on February 14, 2008, 10:49:01 am ---Anyone who has ever seen a photo of Den Erickson drawing a bow will no longer take hime serious. His full draw looks to be about 16". He claims to run the 40 yard dash in something like 40 seconds. And is the greatest and anything that comes up. Steve
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Steve, we call everybody that is like that STAN. You tell a story and they say "S#!t That Ain't Nothing", S T A N. ;D Justin
nick1346:
--- Quote from: Rod on February 14, 2008, 10:31:23 am ---
Nick,
Which is pretty much what I would expect given the tone and content of your response to a challenge to set a benchmark for accuracy at 100 yards, which was not even addressed to you.
How do you think you would fare going for Tang Dynasty second class? Surely that is achievable with a modicum of practice?
Probably the vast majority fell into this category since it is quite easy to miss at 100 paces and I expect that only a relatively small percentile made the first class grade.
I have no problem with someone who honestly says "I don't think I could do that" but I always hear the same old excuses.
It's not about what you like doing, or what you think you can't do, or whether you would feel embarassed at shooting a lower score than a target archer.
As I said above, when criticised by a target archer, offer him your bow and let him show you what he can do with your draw weight.
I can understand a pleasant social knockout contest starting at 20 yards, but those are for a warbow, extremely close distances and 100 yardfs should be pretty near to point on with some shafts.
But childrens and ethical hunting distances are not the distances for setting a benchmark for accuracy with a war bow.
You should not be worried about embarassing yourself with something as harmless as a recorded score.
A low score is only a place to start, something to build upon.
It won't get you killed, which is what your attitude would do if it was for real.
A good archer would have been a fair allround hand, since excuses are useless in the face of the enemy.
BTW since Den is a foreigner I thought it useful to mention something to him that I thought that you would know. But thanks for the information anyway.
A FITA face is suggested since it is the same anywhere in the world, which is useful if we are considering setting a standard for accuracy.
This does not of itself make it impossible to shoot at it with a longbow.
What it does mean however, is that you will have a recorded score which can be subject to comparison, which as you well know, is the real cause of your reluctance.
Fair enough, if you are not ready to record a score at 100 paces, it's a free country, no-one is going to make you do it.
Rod.
Alistair,
Judging by the local butt mounds, I would say around 10 or 12 feet in diameter, but no doubt with a centre "coit" or peg, like the Luttrell Salter drawing.
Rod.
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My point about chinese archers was to illustrate the fact that you cannot take one group of archers and directly compare them to another if you do you end up with a very weak comparison. A chinese archer shoots chinese kit and in the ethos of his military mindset, an English archer likewise the two are not the same. Who knows if I tried there test I may be a 1st, 2nd or zilch archer but as I have no interest in chinese archery, which is probably a lot of fun, I'm not about to go out and buy chinese bows and learn their shooting techniques.
In a similar vain your test falls down for the same reason. It is a test of target archery and even though it's not aimed at me, which must mean your only interested in certain individual archers and not warbows per se, it is not what I try to train for. To say that I'm offering excuses and I'm worried I'll be embarresed is ridiculous, I'm a grown bloody man not some wet behind the ears kid! I know I'd be beaten hands down by a target archer, so what? You don't judge a rally driver by making him race at siverstone against a superbike. To under take your challenge then I'd have to train for it, which you have to see as fair, to do that takes time. Time which I'm better able to spend roving, clout shooting and heavy arrow shooting which is what I do. If you want a 'bench mark' come up with something based on that and you may get a few takers. You can't seriously expect people to start shooting in a completely differen't manner becuase you issuse a challenge, what happens if the week after someone else comes up with another one for us which we have to undertake to satisfy them? What good would it serve us?
If you want a bench mark base it on something readily repeatable which reflects what most warbow archers do. As an example clout shooting, or how well you group your military arrows on the round at your furthest range. A challenge like that may be taken up becuase that is what we already do, to say we have to do something completely differen't would be like asking compound archers to take up military arrow shooting, it's not something there interested in otherwise they'd shoot warbows. It is agian trying to judge one style of shooting by anothers benchmarks, whats the point?
Making cheap points out of 'we know your real reaosons for not wanting' is not only childish but also insulting. if you want poeple to do your test might I suggest that you are more gracious to those who turn you down or find other ways in which you could improve upon your challenge. After all if someone reads this they might think I'll give that a go but they may be put off thinking if they do badly they will get cheap comments thrown at them by yourself after all I've not even taken your 'test' and your calling me to all intense and purposes a coward, bizare!
As for Den Erickson I have no idea if he can do what he claims, if he goes out and gets a world record then I'll drink a toast to him, if he doesn't then he doesn't it doesn't worry me.
adb:
Wow, lots of chest thumping and finger pointing!!
nick1346:
--- Quote from: adb3112 on February 14, 2008, 02:07:11 pm ---Wow, lots of chest thumping and finger pointing!!
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Ug :D
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