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Dalton Knapper:
I'll simplify that. All Paleo points were made to penetrate, insert and when possible extract to insert again. Of course the best situation was to be able to toss the spear and kill, but not all prey in the Paleo time was something that could be killed with a single throw. Also keep in mind that groups hunted, and it wasn't necessairly one person one target. When buffalo could be run off a bluff or deer could be ran down a hollow and then entangled in a hoop line, that was the best. Later the atlatl increased the distance prey could be killed and the points changed. I am sounding like a broken record, but there was a reason Paleo points didn't have barbs and Archaic to Woodland points did...then there was the bow and the Mississippian.

Zuma:

Dalton
I don't think a broken record at all. Imo the smallest details are
very telling in the overall. For instance grinding and the evolution
of incurvated and excurvated traits as well as serrations.
Interesting is how almost all of these traits disappear in the Late Woodland.
I am glad you see you may be in agreement with me that Clovis at
least had not developed the atatl and used their spears for thrusting
or throwing. 
If you all would try to think about Clovis migration direction I would
suggest this-- (north)Western Clovis seem to be more square based, straight
sided and shorter flutes. Imo I see this as the beginning of Clovis technology.
As you go south and east the sides become more incurvated the bases more
convex and the flutes longer. Is this evolution/morphology??
Zuma

Outbackbob48:
Don, I have been told that the glaciers receded from South to North and from East to West, and I am assuming the first people followed the glaciers or migrated both directions. I also believe we have way more clovis sites in the east than in the west.  JUst a little something that I was thinking about.  I do agree with ya on the no barb thrusting pull and return stuff, Not really sure when the atl-atl came into play but after spears Just Thinkin.  :o  Bob

Zuma:
Bob, Good thoughts.
 Just my take based on archaeology and personal travel.
First there are not really any northern Clovis elephant kill sites.
A few speculative ones. Most are in what is more the southern half of
N America. Clovis, NM , Naco southern AZ,  Lehner AZ, Murray southern AZ,
Colby north central WY and the Texas high plains, all mammoth kills.
Also one from Mexico fairly recent, a mastodon ancestor.
One mastodon site in MO.   Mastodons are said to be more woodland.
The edge of the ice sheet should have been around the Canadian border at this time??

Having been stationed at Clovis AB and traveling all over that territory as well as
 Texas, Arizona NV, CA, UT, WY, ND, NE, KS  recently. The area is not really
the most hospitable. Compared to the east. Much easier to make a living east
 of the Big Muddy.
It's a shame that most do not recognize the C 14 dates anymore except when
someone wants to claim Pre Clovis. They have really muddied the waters.
Along with the Black Mat folks. lol
Zuma

mullet:
And, don't forget Florida. Quite a few Clovis sites in North Florida and 10-15 miles out into the Gulf of Mexico.

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