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Psuedo Outrepasse followed by Clovis outrepasse
AncientTech:
--- Quote from: Hummingbird Point on December 02, 2015, 03:22:38 pm ---Ben,
I really am trying to understand, but this makes no sense. By your own admission, your previous work was "85-90% wrong" and you spent 4 years of relentless experimentation only to find your previous thinking was largely wrong. That is what you are saying, isn't it? So basically your earlier critics were mostly right? Back a few years ago you were adamant that everyone was knapping the wrong way and needed to use small antler cylinders as straight punches, but now you are saying that is wrong? I'm not asking in a sarcastic, or snippy way, I honestly don't follow.
Regardless though, if all that happened back then, and by your own admission this is a new idea from less than a year ago, what does one have to do with the other? You seem upset that people ignore the historical evidence, but perhaps that is partly because guys like you come along and misinterpret the historical evidence, lead a bunch of us down the wrong path and then, knowing you were "85-90% wrong", refusing to correct the interpretation. You said in a previous exchange you wanted to make flint knapping "relevant again" but how does one person working in isolation accomplish that? Again, serious questions, not at all meant to be snippy.
Lyman says this is like a chess game. Not so. Chess is played in the open where both the players and spectators can clearly watch every move. This is a poker game where one guy claims to have the winning hand but refuses to put his cards on the table.
I fold.
Keith
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Yes and No. I was right about the evidence. The flintknapping community has been historically wrong about the evidence, probably going back to the 1960's or 1970's.
But, my interpretation was misguided, whereas the hundreds of people in the flintknapping community did not even bother with making a theory. It seems that virtually all of them just dismissed the evidence.
Actually, the little antler cylinders probably were the predominant post-hammerstone flaking tool, used in many or most parts of North America, from the advent of the archaic, and onwards. Obviously, the longstanding question in archaeology relates to how the tools might have been used. In the 1979 edition of Flintknappers Exchange, one author offered the view that they are worthless, and good for nothing but making gravel, and bloody hands. I happen to think that he was wrong, which means that while the flintknapping community is great at talking about point types all say long, they are not so great at admitting what types of flakers are found right alongside most of those point types.
It is not quite like a chess game. I was forced into a corner. Then, I discovered what my evidence contained. And, I turned the tables on the people who tried to force me into the corner. Now, they are in the corner, because they have no explanation, and they should admit that I never should have been banned, in the first place, for trying to get people to look at actual evidence.
caveman2533:
--- Quote from: AncientTech on December 06, 2015, 08:54:56 pm --- You are not producing overshots with just a deer tine. Plain and simple.
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If you are using the tine you are showing and not swinging it like a billet, then you are striking it with something, and is not JUST a deer tine.
Zuma:
--- Quote from: AncientTech on December 06, 2015, 08:59:40 pm ---
--- Quote from: caveman2533 on December 02, 2015, 07:19:11 am ---,
Ben you are not banned, you are still here. The other roads have been closed, so take a detour and still get where you want to go. Primitive archer is your detour. will you ever get where you want to go? You are not producing overshots with just a deer tine. Plain and simple.
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Here is where I am going to go. Other people are going to have to admit that anthropological evidence of Native American flintknapping should never be banned, censored, or in any way shape of form removed from the discussion about flintknapping. There is no moral failing in bringing evidence to the table. The moral failing is in depriving other people a change to learn. And, that is what is done through censorship. It deprives people of a change to learn.
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LOL this is as funny as John Candy.
Any thread I have posted concerning the mis led instruction of overshot
has been totally censored. Count yourself very lucky here Ben
Zuma:
--- Quote from: mullet on December 02, 2015, 09:19:22 pm ---I'd just like to see some pictures of different flakes and rocks. And didn't have to read through this crap to make sure everybody was playing nicely.
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Eddie,
I posted them on another thread but you removed them. What makes you guys happy or so sensitive?
Why did you do that? Peer pressure?
Zuma
Zuma:
--- Quote from: nclonghunter on December 02, 2015, 09:25:45 am ---This is something similar to a chess game, are we to "checkmate" yet???
I just hate I have a lot more interest in knapping than chess.... :(
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NC I can remember the day when I was in Albermarl NC and you
were gracious enough to be a solid guide in my Rhyolite experience.
I have also watched you flourish in the knapping skills and was very
happy to meet you at Pete's.
These boards were on the up and up until recently. LOL
the rest is just recent history. Chess game?, oh no EGO.
Zuma
PS just chart the posts on this forum after the division of a
Knapping forum that did very well.
Zuma
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