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Psuedo Outrepasse followed by Clovis outrepasse
Zuma:
--- Quote from: mullet on December 02, 2015, 09:19:22 pm ---I'd just like to see some pictures of different flakes and rocks. And didn't have to read through this crap to make sure everybody was playing nicely.
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Check out the original board.
Some eye candy there.
I'd like to see some of yours again. :)
If you ever get the time. ;)
Seriously, Zuma
AncientTech:
--- Quote from: caveman2533 on December 02, 2015, 07:19:11 am ---Ben,
you are not banned, you are still here. The other roads have been closed, so take a detour and still get where you want to go. Primitive archer is your detour. will you ever get where you want to go? You are not producing overshots with just a deer tine. Plain and simple.
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Aside from the wooden punch coast to coast flake, I have only made overshots with hammerstones, and deer tines. Those tools serve as the actual flaking agents.
You posit that "I am not producing overshots with just a deer tine". Do you think that I am using some other flaker? What I intend to say is that those are the flaking agents - either deer tines, or hammerstones. But, I soon plan to re-duplicate the same process with cylinders, assuming that all goes well.
Also, I am not sure what else you would think that I produce overshots from? Since I do not believe that billets were ever a culturally identifiable trait, in the Americas, I do not use them anymore, although I did in the past, starting in 1996, after I met Cherokee Indian Noel Grayson, of Talequah, Oklahoma.
If you do not think that the flakers used to create all of the non-hammerstone overshots are deer tines, then what tool do you think that I am using? And, why would you think that I would use some other tool, and then lie and say that it was made with a deer tine?
AncientTech:
--- Quote from: caveman2533 on December 02, 2015, 07:19:11 am ---Ben,
you are not banned, you are still here. The other roads have been closed, so take a detour and still get where you want to go. Primitive archer is your detour. will you ever get where you want to go? You are not producing overshots with just a deer tine. Plain and simple.
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Here is where I am going to go. Other people are going to have to admit that anthropological evidence of Native American flintknapping should never be banned, censored, or in any way shape of form removed from the discussion about flintknapping. There is no moral failing in bringing evidence to the table. The moral failing is in depriving other people a change to learn. And, that is what is done through censorship. It deprives people of a change to learn.
AncientTech:
--- Quote from: Ghost Knapper on December 02, 2015, 07:25:53 am ---Show me a civilized society that has not tried to ban something. There are no formal or informal leaders in the knapping community. Pioneers, innovators, authors, devotees, newbs there are lots of those, but leaders who take control of information being presented nope not one. Privately operated forums have leaders, moderators, rules. The flintknapping community has no such thing. Become an author write a book on the subject, create a flintknapping instructional DVD sell your idea. But don't expect to go before the high counsel to discuss and explain your findings because there is no such thing.
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There are informal leaders in the flintknapping community. What they have done, in some cases, is that they have used their influence to pressure moderators to stop or hinder people from bringing evidence-based views to the table.
Also, these forums are public, because anyone in the public is able to read them. They are not private forums. Only, the membership is private. The actual contents, and information, under discussion are given in a public online setting, that anyone from here to the Space Station can read about.
AncientTech:
--- Quote from: nclonghunter on December 02, 2015, 09:25:45 am ---This is something similar to a chess game, are we to "checkmate" yet???
I just hate I have a lot more interest in knapping than chess.... :(
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We should have been having an open discussion about evidence-based flintknapping since 2010, if not prior. Unfortunately, other people chose the censorship route. Actually, if I had been completely censored 100% no one would even see anything that I have posted here. The real harm is not being done by me. It is being done by those who have chosen to deprive other people of their chance to learn about authentic Native American flintknapping practices.
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