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Offline DanaM

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Sumac as Bow Wood
« on: July 04, 2008, 12:45:34 pm »
Last year when I visited my brother in central New York I cut a wrist thick sapling of Sumac, not sure but I think it was Staghorn Sumac. Anyway thought I would give it a try.
One limb had about 6" of reflex and the other had maybe 2" so after getting the limbs bending some I put it on my new form which is modeled after Pappy's
and from Greg's engineering print. It took heat very well and after cooling I had 4.5" of reflex. 67" NTN and 1.5" wide, going for a D bow. Did some work on it
today and got it braced to 5.5" its pulling 38#@ 22" and just unstrung retains 1" of reflex which after awhile returns to 2". Tommow if possible I will put it back on the form and toast the belly.
After that is final tillering, going to go for 40#@26". I don't think there is enough wood to aim for more. The heart wood is quite striking its green.

Anyone else ever try Sumac? Any comments or critique is welcome :)

On the form


Off the form 4.5" of reflex


Braced


38#@22"


Just unstrung


And of course my dog Bocephus he supervised the whole thing ;D
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Re: Sumac as Bow Wood
« Reply #1 on: July 04, 2008, 01:41:28 pm »
  Looking good, Dana. The Pup is too.
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« Reply #2 on: July 04, 2008, 02:00:52 pm »
That looks great Dana....never would have thought of Sumac for a Bow!!!
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Re: Sumac as Bow Wood
« Reply #3 on: July 04, 2008, 02:07:25 pm »
Its not a bow yet ;) Just a piece of wood that looks like a bow eh :)
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Re: Sumac as Bow Wood
« Reply #4 on: July 04, 2008, 02:14:34 pm »
Looks like it is getting to bow fast. Justin
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Re: Sumac as Bow Wood
« Reply #5 on: July 04, 2008, 02:20:40 pm »
Dana ya beat me to it!!! :D i had plans to try this wood this summer. Ive got gobbs and gobbs of it around, i was doing some research while you were testing it! looking good so far. unbacked right? this was my only concern with this wood as its kinda softish. im looking forward to seeing how it comes out!

 you're officially my guinea pig! :D

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« Reply #6 on: July 04, 2008, 03:09:53 pm »
 Wow Dana, that is looking like it has some real potential. Can't wit to see how it turns out. Keenan

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Re: Sumac as Bow Wood
« Reply #7 on: July 04, 2008, 04:19:41 pm »
Was wonderin bout this myself, got lots of winged sumac cut and dryin for arrows but its got a spongy pith. Hafta cut some of the bigger stuff and see.....Brian
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« Reply #8 on: July 04, 2008, 04:42:49 pm »
Phil and Brian, make sure you have the sumac that Dana is using.  China sumac (ailanthus) is garbage. Justin
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« Reply #9 on: July 04, 2008, 05:24:23 pm »
Nice Utilising the sumac. that isn't poisonous is it?Happy freedom day!PK

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Re: Sumac as Bow Wood
« Reply #10 on: July 04, 2008, 06:01:11 pm »
Phil sorry to burst yer bubble ;) and yes its unbacked and it does have a pithy center, like a tootsie popl :)
Keenan ya never know until ya try eh ;)
Koan I have no idear about winged sumac, give it a try eh.
Justin you said it would take 20" of set, guess what yer wrong ;D
PK nope not poisonous :)

Its still just a piece of wood until it flings an arrow, its by no means premium bow wood, but it may be another option ???
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Re: Sumac as Bow Wood
« Reply #11 on: July 04, 2008, 07:12:30 pm »
Phil and Brian, make sure you have the sumac that Dana is using.  China sumac (ailanthus) is garbage. Justin

how do ya tell the difference between the two? and how many different kinds are there? a couple of good nubie questions there ;D

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« Reply #12 on: July 04, 2008, 08:54:23 pm »
Staghorn Sumac has round redish purple fruit.
Ailanthus sumac has little flat sead pods, pale green when immature and grey when mature and dry. Justin
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Re: Sumac as Bow Wood
« Reply #13 on: July 04, 2008, 09:00:54 pm »
Keep the pics coming Dana, looks real good!

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Re: Sumac as Bow Wood
« Reply #14 on: July 04, 2008, 09:34:20 pm »
Staghorn Sumac has round redish purple fruit.
Ailanthus sumac has little flat sead pods, pale green when immature and grey when mature and dry. Justin
The staghorn sounds like what we call here in Mo. winged sumac...according to MDC book. Looks almost like grape pods only smaller. It seems to grow in great bunches of shoots and grows very fast...I got some that are 2 yrs old and they are almost 2" across and 10'-15" tall.....Brian
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