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bow-toxo:

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GROW UP BOTH OF YOU!
I've had it with this area on the forum, both Hartung and Bow-Toxo seem to feel they can get away with saying anything they want and do not think anyone else has as much experience and knowledge as they do. Well they are wrong, when they actually do some research of their own and it has some relevance to the English warbow, then and only then will people take them seriously.
Guys it's very easy to sit in front of a computer with a username that is anonymous and talk absolute rubbish, but I'm afraid the fact will always remain:

YOU BOTH HAVE DONE NOTHING TO FORWARD OUR KNOWLEDGE, ALL YOU CAN DO IS MAKE REDICULOUS STATEMENTS AND CHILDISH COMMENTS AIMED AT ME...........HOW VERY SAD BOTH YOUR LIVES MUST BE.

If the moderators of thisa site feel that i have been unfair by this comment and remove me from this forum then so be it.

Steve Stratton

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 Steve,                                                                                                                                                                         

You may be right but we are moving off topic. I am sorry about your frustration but I can only please one person a day and your turn has not yet come up. Tomorrow doesn't look good either.

                                                                                                          cheers,
                                                                                                            Erik
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
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Justin Snyder:
Some good info in this thread and some real crap.  If you are asking yourself if I am referring to something you typed, I will leave it to you to decide. But please ask yourself that question before you post it again.  Lets try to be civil.  You do not have to like each other, but we would appreciate it if you would try to be descent to each other.  I know people can make a point without the condescending undertone because many have done it. If you need to take 5 minutes and catch your composure before posting please do it.  Justin

Nick:
Just trying to help steve. He's the underdog now and Hartung and Bow-toxfag are shooting their mouths off at him without any intervening from you!

Justin Snyder:

--- Quote from: Yeomanbowman on January 03, 2009, 05:30:25 pm ---I've just finished reading a couple of chapters of  Literacy and the Social Order: Reading and Writing in Tudor and Stuart England
by David Cressy, and he mentions Ascham as an example of an advocate of literacy for the general populace as a means of social control.  It seems that what passes as being literate in Tudor times is ambiguous but being illiterate was not seen as a disadvantage or had any stigma attached to it.  However I was surprised that literacy may have been higher than 30% in the Stuart period.  As Mike says printing and Protestantism certainly promoted literacy.

Perhaps the great man did have ideas of his works being for a wide readership but whether this was achieved with Toxophilus I doubt (well not until much later).  Some of the rudimentary shooting information suggest to me that he in mind, as the primary target for his information, novice shooters and not hardend expert military archers.  I think he may well have tried to encourage greater participation in archery, which would have pleased Henry VIII.  It sadly didn't halt the decline of the warbow though.    

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Great post Yeomanbowman.  It is quite plausible that he was trying for a wide readership but addressing those who are able to pay him for his work "gentlemen and yeomen." Also to suggest he could partially be writting to please Henry VIII. It is expedient in any political environment to remain in favor of someone who can behead you for disagreement with them.  ;)

adb:
It's funny, but typical. Those who can do... and those who can't feel complled to tell others how. I think hartung and bow-toxo should make some replica warbows and show us their stuff, instead of telling us how it should be. Sure... read some books, I have. You'll never really know until you do it yourself. I think you guys should put up, or shut up. Typical internet "experts." Until you guys have made some 140+#@32" yew selfbows, then you should open your minds, and maybe learn from those who have.

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