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Bows / Re: 2024 bow trade - interest?
« Last post by Juan Ant. Espinosa on Today at 01:59:28 pm »
I don´t want to ask this in the main bow trade post to keep clean. So I will ask here:
 
How people are meassuring draw length in that bow trades? From the string till the first touch of the hand on the handle?
If draw length counts from the string till the back of the handle, then depending on the deep the handle is, the same person would have very different draw lengths; I guess.

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Bows / Re: Semi bendy Osage character bow
« Last post by Juan Ant. Espinosa on Today at 01:48:39 pm »
Incredible what you did with a wood like that... It is really beautiful. And perfectly tillered.
Do you think that dessign makes less speedy bows than a similar stiff handle one?
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Bows / Re: Juniper-sinew kid's bow
« Last post by bjrogg on Today at 11:03:58 am »
Man, it's hard looking at photos on this forum now, with a moving ad in between each one.   :(

But anyway.  The Badgerling found me a garter snake the other day that donated its skin to cover half the bow.  Need for find it a buddy for the other half.  It was about to shed--milky eyes, really dull, disappointing lack of pattern.  But as I was cleaning the skin, I discovered that the old skin peeled right off, leaving a shiny, new, beautifully patterned skin underneath.

Here it is laid on just to see how it will look.



When I was going to trade school I had a tarantula. I remember one morning I woke up and there were two of them.

One the dull worn empty shell of one. It was just standing there like it still had a body in it.

And a shiny new full one. That did have a body in it right next to it. Amazing how they can do that.

Bjrogg
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Bows / Re: Has anyone here made a deflex takedown sleeve?
« Last post by Hamish on Today at 10:19:27 am »
Yep, I have definitely talked with you on Ozbow, and I remember you came up with plenty of good ideas, especially regarding bow design.

Hinges are definitely a good idea for takedowns. They used to be available commercially in the States. None of them needed threaded inserts, but that doesn't mean its not a good idea, especially with your earlier proposed application. I think most guys on here could fashion a pretty decent hinge with hand tools, files and hacksaws, given lots of time and patience. A chunk of 4130 would be ideal(not cheap), heat treated to around 35-40Rockwell, for maximum toughness, but still workable with files etc. The other methods for takedowns discussed in the thread would be quicker to make.

I have two models that I have never used. One is a 3 piece articulation. The centre section is rectangular has 3 pronged finger joints on both ends, that interlock on either side with the securing plates. Small pins go through the joints on either side to create a hinge. The articulation can go into a deflex handle shape. This style could be made in with simple tools, and a file guide for accuracy.

The other one I have is a precision "Connexion" hinge, that has been done on a milling machine. A cnc mill could churn them out. Hard to explain, but it is in 2 separate halves that slide in together from the side in the L shaped position, but lock in when the hinge is folded flat into the shooting position. Really precisely made, can go into a slight deflex, or flat They were used on Robertson Stykbow longbows for a really long time, but the guy who makes the hinges must have retired, because they aren't available anymore. They come with titanium screws. Not sure if the hinge is stainless or titanium.
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Bows / Re: Stress and performance
« Last post by Aussie Yeoman on Today at 05:38:28 am »
Here's another one, in which I make a longbow from Maple, using an average of figures collected by others (Tim Baker's bend test data)

Because I didn't use figures from a sample from this very board, the set was a little higher than I'd have liked, but otherwise it turned out pretty much as designed:

https://ozbow.net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=17080

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Bows / Re: Stress and performance
« Last post by Aussie Yeoman on Today at 05:31:03 am »
Gonna conduct some necromancy on this old thread:

I found an old project where I followed the dimensions calculated and got pretty much exactly what I wanted. This was a pretty long Molly design, made from boo-backed ironbark. I calculated the dimensions and printed them out 1:1 as templates, then did the same with the projected tiller shape. It didn't take much tillering to get it to spec, and when it was done the draw weight/length were just what I wanted, the tiller shape matched the projection, and the dimensions were pretty much bang on. Just small fractions of an inch here and there.
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Bows / Re: Has anyone here made a deflex takedown sleeve?
« Last post by Aussie Yeoman on Today at 04:49:26 am »
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My only worry with that method  would be the potential wear on the wooden end that gets repeatedly inserted, then taken apart. I imagine it would be not as harsh with a fg wrap handle( never heard it mentioned as a problem with fg wrap handles, but the metal sleeves always seem to have, inner sleeves to prevent wear).

Yeah I'd worried about that too. I was wondering whether some micarta or phenolic shims on back and belly would alleviate that. I'd like to stay away from FG if I can - the thought of the dust gives me the heebie-jeebies.

I just did some CAD work. If I glue up a 66" stave with 4"reflex I'd need to angle a tube by -6.9 degrees from straight. For a 1" pipe, this means a pretty small wedge out of the belly side of the RHS. Not impossible though.

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Simon has one on his website. Rather than angle the tubes he deflexed it at the handle. Here’s a link to his build.
https://primitive-bows.com/osage-take-down-hunting-bow-n0-78/

That's a really nice build and accomplishes the design brief. Thanks for sharing! I'll add it to the list of candidate options. It would need some creative geometry to work the angle in. But, as is obvious from the tutorial, achievable.

I was thinking more about the marine hinge option. It occurred to me that potentially, the knuckles and barrel of the hinge could be a weak point. We could remove the weak point by just using a steel plate, bent or forged to shape and secured with threaded inserts. One on the back for sure, and potentially one on the belly if it were needed. But, I don't expect it would be needed, as most of the hinged options in TBB and modern glass bows don't seem to have them.

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I think I have met you at the  Wiseman's Ferry shoot back around 2007-10, we had a discussion about Native Australian bow woods, eucalypts and their tendency to sometimes chrysal even if the bow is perfectly made?If you are the same guy I remember you had excellent bowyering skills, blacksmithing/knifemaking skills and a sharp mind.

You're very generous with your compliments but I'm pretty sure we've only met online. At the very least, I've never made it to a Wiseman's Ferry shoot.  :( We'd have exchanged notes on Ozbow, PP and here. I think we have exchanged correspondence on Aussie woods' tendency to chrysal. The tree-split staves I've used have chrysalled despite working admirably. Funnily enough, I and my students have only ever had chrysals where there's a terrible hinge when making boo backed ironbark or spotted gum bows.
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Bows / Re: 2024 Bow Trade - sign up open
« Last post by superdav95 on Today at 01:19:36 am »
I’m in. 

R/H
50-55
29” draw
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Bows / Re: Has anyone here made a deflex takedown sleeve?
« Last post by Kidder on Today at 12:07:39 am »
Simon has one on his website. Rather than angle the tubes he deflexed it at the handle. Here’s a link to his build.
https://primitive-bows.com/osage-take-down-hunting-bow-n0-78/
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Bows / Re: Has anyone here made a deflex takedown sleeve?
« Last post by Hamish on May 14, 2024, 07:03:31 pm »
Lovely looking bow, I can see why you'd like to try something similar.
My only worry with that method  would be the potential wear on the wooden end that gets repeatedly inserted, then taken apart. I imagine it would be not as harsh with a fg wrap handle( never heard it mentioned as a problem with fg wrap handles, but the metal sleeves always seem to have, inner sleeves to prevent wear).

If you can find tubing, where the next size down can telescope back into the main tube that might solve the problem. It depends on how the handle as a whole responds after bending, and whether you can easily get the pieces back apart.

Another idea, instead of bending the tube into deflex, you could saw through the tube, through the top, and sides but leaves the bottom side intact. Then you could bend it, and then weld the sides up.

Very interested in seeing what you come up with. I think I have met you at the  Wiseman's Ferry shoot back around 2007-10, we had a discussion about Native Australian bow woods, eucalypts and their tendency to sometimes chrysal even if the bow is perfectly made?If you are the same guy I remember you had excellent bowyering skills, blacksmithing/knifemaking skills and a sharp mind.
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