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ERC from Erwin: making of MOM N' DAD (No. 49 + 50)
« on: September 15, 2014, 03:00:38 pm »
Here is the stave I’ve got from my friend Erwin (thank you, Erwin!) from Austria. It is a bit deflexed, 52” long, about 2” wide at the crown, has some avoidable knots and unfortunately one absolute not avoidable.
I first thought about making a replica bow (http://www.primitivearcher.com/smf/index.php/topic,48409.0.html), but gave up that idea and went for a free style design.






It isn’t wide enough to make billets out of it, so I decided to go for a short bow. A bow that short should be a bendy handle bow, which allows taking apart a belly split. First the ends got a new fresh cut to make the growth rings easier visible, next the split along the chosen ring was prepared with a chisel – the initial split is determining the splitting through. After the first opening I went with osage wedges, alternating one from the right, one from the left and so on.



ERC splits easy, so I can do second half of the job with only the draw knife, using it as a wedge.





Everything went o.k. but the problem knot didn’t want to get loose.  I turned back to wedges and had a hard work, I didn't want to violate the soft wood but that branch was tough. You can see the problem knot in the middle.



I considered turning over sawing this part, but suddenly the upper part gave up and split apart leaving the little branch in the belly split.



Here from the back





At least I had two staves, a back split with a hole and a belly split with a … mmmh – a little branch.
Let’s call the two splits mom and dad.





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Re: ERC from Erwin: making of MOM N' DAD
« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2014, 03:28:33 pm »
lmao good one

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Re: ERC from Erwin: making of MOM N' DAD
« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2014, 04:13:35 pm »
Unbelievable- man you got some x-rated staves there! :o
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« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2014, 05:52:13 pm »
Looks like mom likes to be on top  8)

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Re: ERC from Erwin: making of MOM N' DAD
« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2014, 06:09:45 pm »
Hmmm morning wood!!  :o >:D
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Re: ERC from Erwin: making of MOM N' DAD
« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2014, 08:40:39 pm »
Looks like mom likes to be on top  8)

Dad looks happy ;D. Looks like some wood with a challenge ::) ;)
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Re: ERC from Erwin: making of MOM N' DAD
« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2014, 08:44:03 pm »
Great post, nice wood! :D :laugh:
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Re: ERC from Erwin: making of MOM N' DAD
« Reply #7 on: September 15, 2014, 11:46:58 pm »
Would love to see what you could do with cedar
I like osage

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Re: ERC from Erwin: making of MOM N' DAD
« Reply #8 on: September 16, 2014, 10:31:28 am »
lmao,  this is great

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Re: ERC from Erwin: making of MOM N' DAD
« Reply #9 on: September 16, 2014, 06:25:59 pm »
  ;D ;D Well played Simson!!
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Re: ERC from Erwin: making of MOM N' DAD
« Reply #10 on: September 17, 2014, 02:44:54 pm »
Thanks for all the comments, guys!

Unbelievable- man you got some x-rated staves there! :o
Yeah, good to have some friends with staves.

Looks like mom likes to be on top  8)
That's for sure, she prefers the top position

Hmmm morning wood!!  :o >:D
---morning star---- ;D

Looks like mom likes to be on top  8)

Dad looks happy ;D. Looks like some wood with a challenge ::) ;)
Dad is very happy! Let's see what I can get out of them  ....

Would love to see what you could do with cedar
These are not the first ones, here is no. 1 + 2:
http://www.primitivearcher.com/smf/index.php/topic,40521.0.html
http://www.primitivearcher.com/smf/index.php/topic,40525.0.html
They are both intact and ready to shoot

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Re: ERC from Erwin: making of MOM N' DAD
« Reply #11 on: September 17, 2014, 02:47:22 pm »
Well, back again here. Had some trouble with the uploads to photobucket, not sure was it my account or the server broke down  ….  anyway here we go on


ERC is incredible light wood and very soft, it should have a backing. I will do a sinew backing on both.  First some cleaning up, a rough ring choosing, some side cleaning to taper the width and at least reducing the thickness on some parts.



dad's back



mom's back


There weren’t much to play with and the staves determined more or less the layout. This cleaning up was made very roughly and did last no longer than 10 min per stave.
I like to have some short flipped tips, or short statics on bows that short. I steamed in a little bend on both staves. Here they are laying side by side, from left to right: mom, dad, two plains bows with already the first layers on and an indian hornbow which needs some more sinew on one limb. The two ERC staves were carefully prepared with acetone and three coats of thinned hide glue.





I will go for pin nocks, but this soft wood  has to be strengthened with bone horn or at least rawhide/sinew. I found some horn leftovers, only 1-2mm thick – that’s enough.



Forgot to take a pic of applying the little horn plates.
Next was the sinew job, sorry no pics from the process. Sticky glue on my rubber gloves and taking pics makes some trouble.



Both are now braced backwards with a cord and an old broken arrow or a stick while seasoning.
The cord will get slack in some time, then I replace the stick with a longer one.



But here is the result; I’m very satisfied how they came out. The sinew is worked around the hole and the remaining branch.









 

Now I will let the backing cure a bit and then wrap the tips and the handle with sinew. I think one layer is enough for that light wood. I will do pics from that process, but then comes the patience part … I will continue in early November or so.
Simon
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Re: ERC from Erwin: making of MOM N' DAD (part 2 added)
« Reply #12 on: September 17, 2014, 08:53:42 pm »
This is a Knaughty post  :laugh:
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Re: ERC from Erwin: making of MOM N' DAD (part 2 added)
« Reply #13 on: September 18, 2014, 10:27:36 am »
too cool...and I have several pieces of ERC drying right now...I'll be watching this!
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Re: ERC from Erwin: making of MOM N' DAD (part 2 added)
« Reply #14 on: September 18, 2014, 04:33:25 pm »
just awesome!
i´d knew you were the right man for that stave!
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