This is exactly what I detest about clubs, chatrooms, and the like. It never fails, people insist on getting personal rather than just exchanging ideas, photos, and advice concerning primitive archery. What exactly is it anyway, lack of social life? Too much time on their hands? If more of their idle chat time were spent reading, listening, and actually producing bows and arrows it would be better for all of us. Let me remind everyone reading this, the practice of primitive archery has been resurected for a very short period of time. Now it is in full swing, thanks to a select few. Thanks to books and computers we all have an oportunity to produce fine weapons with very little trial and error. Does this make us experts or masters? No. The majority of us are novices and apprentices, including me. We are not trekkies, we are archers, hunters, and bowyers. This is only the second comment I've ever posted. I listen and learn from the real master craftsmen. Thanks Marc for posting this subject, and thanks to all of you out there who truly want to share and learn.